This has officially gotten way out of hand

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by jms62

What do you think the NFL should do regarding the replacement refs?

It is obvious that these guys are in way over there head and yes now it has cost the players and fans at least 1 game. Fortunately no one has been seriously hurt, but in my opinion this shows the lack of respect by the NFL for their product. They believe they are bigger than the game and you are going to watch it no matter what and you know what they are probably right. I don't think they should be playing until they get competent officials on the field. Will the regular refs make mistakes, of course. However watching the games the last 3 weeks is ridiculous. Some of these guys weren't competent enough to ref lingerie games. Most haven't officiated above the D3 level in college. It isn't there fault they are not good enough. I believe they shouldn't play another game until they get competent officials on the field. It is not fair to the players, fans, bettors, etc.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

It is obvious that these guys are in way over there head and yes now it has cost the players and fans at least 1 game. Fortunately no one has been seriously hurt, but in my opinion this shows the lack of respect by the NFL for their product. They believe they are bigger than the game and you are going to watch it no matter what and you know what they are probably right. I don't think they should be playing until they get competent officials on the field. Will the regular refs make mistakes, of course. However watching the games the last 3 weeks is ridiculous. Some of these guys weren't competent enough to ref lingerie games. Most haven't officiated above the D3 level in college. It isn't there fault they are not good enough. I believe they shouldn't play another game until they get competent officials on the field. It is not fair to the players, fans, bettors, etc.

I agree with your position 100% but I am suprised that in this case you are for negotiating with a union rather then breaking it by using scabs which seems to be inconsistent with your political views.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree with your position 100% but I am suprised that in this case you are for negotiating with a union rather then breaking it by using scabs which seems to be inconsistent with your political views.

Public unions and private unions are different in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with private unions. Public unions are completely different.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."- FDR

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Public unions and private unions are different in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with private unions. Public unions are completely different.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."- FDR

Fair enough

[Alabama Stakes]

don't tell me anybody is buying this snowjob. can you say hypocrite ?

[hi_im_god]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/footba...,4257655.story

Lance Easley is the side judge who ruled a “simultaneous catch” between Seattle receiver Golden Tate and Packers safety M.D. Jennings, who appeared to have possession of the ball when both players hit the ground. Another official initially ruled the play as an interception and touchback.

Both officials missed Tate shoving a defender out of the way as the pass came toward them, which should have resulted in a penalty for offensive pass interference.

The NFL requires its permanent officials to have at least 10 years' experience, including at least five in major-college football. Easley, the least experienced of the Monday night crew, had four years of experience, none above Division III.

In fact, last summer Easley was deemed not ready to officiate at the Division I level, according to Karl Richins, who made the determination along with his staff at the Stars and Stripes Academy for Football Officials in Salt Lake City.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

don't tell me anybody is buying this snowjob. can you say hypocrite ?

You can't be serious. The only reason why these officials don't have the experience to referee NFL games is because the only officials that can possibly get that experience are the ones who are in the union.

Somehow the fact that unions exclude others from getting the experience needed to be able to perform the job proves that unions provide a better product and because the replacement officials are "scabs" they are bad? That is really comical.

[Alabama Stakes]

The NFL officials are graded every week. They are the best of the best. When you use Union employees, you are getting the best bang for your buck. We are accountable. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that you would rather have some cheap Chinese knock off than a nice Union made in America product that you know is quality work. If your head was any further up yorass it would be choking you.