Street Sense Number

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.

One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race.

I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out.

Saying a horse is finished off the most impressive race ever by a 2yr old in the Breeders Cup might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This horse has been impressive all year and to say a Kentucky Derby winning trainer was trying to squeeze the lemon is insulting. He is a february foal, which means he is actually only 3-4 months shy of being a real 3yr old. He is out of a Dubai World Cup winner which means he could be anything.

This horse obviously loves Churchill, which makes him the most likely of winners in May. Of course most likely of winners at this time still means 15-1 against him winning it, but it would not surprise me if he came back and did the same thing in May over that track.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Saying a horse is finished off the most impressive race ever by a 2yr old in the Breeders Cup might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This horse has been impressive all year and to say a Kentucky Derby winning trainer was trying to squeeze the lemon is insulting. He is a february foal, which means he is actually only 3-4 months shy of being a real 3yr old. He is out of a Dubai World Cup winner which means he could be anything.

This horse obviously loves Churchill, which makes him the most likely of winners in May. Of course most likely of winners at this time still means 15-1 against him winning it, but it would not surprise me if he came back and did the same thing in May over that track.

Oh yes, I love posts like this. Either you don't believe him the sheets or don't understand them, but I am not really going out on much of a limb here if you do....Hey I have no problem taking a stand on here, rather than the wishy washy b.s. by more than a few here. I'll admit if I'm wrong and I look forward to you doing the same....But in my mind he won't approach that number for the next year, if not more....My guess is he's retired come this time next year. Yet another limb. LOL.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It is not only not the dumbest thing you've ever heard -- or, in this case, seen -- but something to take seriously. Twenty years ago, maybe I'd agree. Horses were more resilient then. Today, they embody brilliant characteristics and react severely to such juvenile efforts. This factor is mentioned at every Ragozin seminar that I have attended: a three-year-old who never gets back to his two-year-old top.

Who knows more Ragozin or a Kentucky Derby winning horseman? That horse will get all the rest he needs and come back stronger than ever. Maybe he is just a really nice horse.

Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Who knows more Ragozin or a Kentucky Derby winning horseman? That horse will get all the rest he needs and come back stronger than ever. Maybe he is just a really nice horse.

Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.

SJ didn't run 2-'s as a 2yo, actually he didn't hit that # until the Ark Derby...SJ bounced and still won the Derby, setting up for that effort in the Preakness...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Who knows more Ragozin or a Kentucky Derby winning horseman? That horse will get all the rest he needs and come back stronger than ever. Maybe he is just a really nice horse.

Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.

Um, Ragozin.....Smarty NEVER ran that fast as a 2 year old...NEVER...He also debuted in NOVEMBER...not already having 4 races under him.

Your up the wrong tree here Rev

As for the argument, I agree with Randall, this has Sinister Minister written all over it.....i don't agree with the wrap theory though...I would run all my horses in wraps just because I would color coordinate and it make it look all pimp, like they did with Afleet Alex.....