NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[Danzig]

i didn't realize psu was a catholic school.

it'll be a shame to see joe pa go out this way, but i expect him to leave with what's coming out. heads should roll, and they will-already have started rolling.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i didn't realize psu was a catholic school.

it'll be a shame to see joe pa go out this way, but i expect him to leave with what's coming out. heads should roll, and they will-already have started rolling.

This is really a mess. He should bite the bullet and step down. All these people involved in the cover-up are fathers themselves. Their lack of action is unfathomable.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 3kings

This is really a mess. He should bite the bullet and step down. All these people involved in the cover-up are fathers themselves. Their lack of action is unfathomable.

I can't imagine not reporting that stuff to the police. Joe Pa needs to step down immediately. They are all cowards.

And the pedophile, if guilty, should be shot.

[somerfrost]

This is terrible news, my first concern is for the victims. As a lifelong Penn State supporter I am heartbroken that such a thing could happen there and join the chorus of those demanding that the guilty parties be exposed and prosecuted. So far, it appears that Joe was not involved, he was approached by a graduate asst who allegedly witnessed an assault and Joe immediately reported same to his superior as the law dictates. The coverup apparently involves the AD and a university VP, both of whom will be charged tomarrow. We will see if there are more victims and more guilty parties, this story is probably just beginning.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

This is terrible news, my first concern is for the victims. As a lifelong Penn State supporter I am heartbroken that such a thing could happen there and join the chorus of those demanding that the guilty parties be exposed and prosecuted. So far, it appears that Joe was not involved, he was approached by a graduate asst who allegedly witnessed an assault and Joe immediately reported same to his superior as the law dictates. The coverup apparently involves the AD and a university VP, both of whom will be charged tomarrow. We will see if there are more victims and more guilty parties, this story is probably just beginning.

i dont think Joe Pa should be charged with a crime (the other two guys definatly should). But Joe Pa needs to resign regardless. He still knew and still didnt report it to the police.

And I dont understand how the Grad Assistant could witness such a thing and not break it up and call the cops on the spot. Too worried about his coaching future? screw him.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i dont think Joe Pa should be charged with a crime (the other two guys definatly should). But Joe Pa needs to resign regardless. He still knew and still didnt report it to the police.

And I dont understand how the Grad Assistant could witness such a thing and not break it up and call the cops on the spot. Too worried about his coaching future? screw him.

Lot of questions that need to be answered, I'm not so quick to pass judgement as you but time will expose those who are guilty and those not.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Lot of questions that need to be answered, I'm not so quick to pass judgement as you but time will expose those who are guilty and those not.

have you read the grand jury indictment?

if you read that and still wont pass judgement, then I am very sorry for you.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

have you read the grand jury indictment?

if you read that and still wont pass judgement, then I am very sorry for you.

Yes I have...the questions still to be answered are exactly how this evolved. Certainly I would expect Joe to take immediate action and right now, it is unclear what exactly he did and what exactly he was told by the grad student. The state police conducted a long and thorough investigation which has thus far resulted in charges against one guy and soon to be filed charges against two more along with uncovering 8 victims (we all suspect there are more). Joe has thus far not been accused of criminal wrongdoing but the moral questions are many and must be answered. It is a rush to judgement to convict Joe of something not thus far supported by uncovered facts. The lid is off and if he has any role it will be uncovered and then I will stand with you demanding his resignation, but lets let the truth come out first.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yes I have...the questions still to be answered are exactly how this evolved. Certainly I would expect Joe to take immediate action and right now, it is unclear what exactly he did and what exactly he was told by the grad student. The state police conducted a long and thorough investigation which has thus far resulted in charges against one guy and soon to be filed charges against two more along with uncovering 8 victims (we all suspect there are more). Joe has thus far not been accused of criminal wrongdoing but the moral questions are many and must be answered. It is a rush to judgement to convict Joe of something not thus far supported by uncovered facts. The lid is off and if he has any role it will be uncovered and then I will stand with you demanding his resignation, but lets let the truth come out first.

from everything I've read so far, I dont think Joe did anything criminally wrong. In fact, he may have, at first, done the correct thing by telling the A.D. and those guys (how he didnt call the cops when he realized no one else had is beyond my comprehension). But just because he knew, and the whole program dropped the ball, he needs to resign.

[Danzig]

if something like that was reported to me, i'd move heaven and earth to make sure that everyone was contacted that should be contacted. that's not a can you kick down the road.
i've always been a psu fan, joe is the only coach i've ever known there-he's been coaching longer than i've been on this planet.
but having read what i've read...it's a shame his career will end like this, and i'd never thought i'd say so, but joe needs to retire. but then, who thought something like this would come out? it's a disgrace, a complete and utter disgrace. that child deserved more, let alone the school, the students, etc. that's what it comes down to, that poor boy and who knows who else. disgusting, reprehensible. there aren't words to describe how awful this is.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if something like that was reported to me, i'd move heaven and earth to make sure that everyone was contacted that should be contacted. that's not a can you kick down the road.
i've always been a psu fan, joe is the only coach i've ever known there-he's been coaching longer than i've been on this planet.
but having read what i've read...it's a shame his career will end like this, and i'd never thought i'd say so, but joe needs to retire. but then, who thought something like this would come out? it's a disgrace, a complete and utter disgrace. that child deserved more, let alone the school, the students, etc. that's what it comes down to, that poor boy and who knows who else. disgusting, reprehensible. there aren't words to describe how awful this is.

I agree with everything you say, the only question is exactly what did the grad student tell Joe? I think we need to know that before deciding the appropriateness of Joe's actions. This is a young man who was possibly feeling enormous pressure and we don't know as of yet how he presented things to Joe....was it a case of, "I'm not sure what I saw but I'm concerned" or did he forcefully present details?

[3kings]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

This is terrible news, my first concern is for the victims. As a lifelong Penn State supporter I am heartbroken that such a thing could happen there and join the chorus of those demanding that the guilty parties be exposed and prosecuted. So far, it appears that Joe was not involved, he was approached by a graduate asst who allegedly witnessed an assault and Joe immediately reported same to his superior as the law dictates. The coverup apparently involves the AD and a university VP, both of whom will be charged tomarrow. We will see if there are more victims and more guilty parties, this story is probably just beginning.

Really? If someone came to you and said one of your co-workers and friends for 30+ years was committing a sexual assault against a 10 year old boy in your office complex you would just tell the next person in charge? You wouldn't ask what was going on? He is not criminally guilty but he is so morally bankrupt and and his actions are beyond reprehensible.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Really? If someone came to you and said one of your co-workers and friends for 30+ years was committing a sexual assault against a 10 year old boy in your office complex you would just tell the next person in charge? You wouldn't ask what was going on? He is not criminally guilty but he is so morally bankrupt and and his actions are beyond reprehensible.

Had the same thought.




Nothing against State Penn, but just seems like an obvious thought.