Will this be the pace?

[tanner12oz]

On the lead or within a length:

Shackleford
Decisive Moment
Uncle Mo
Comma to the Top
Soldat

Within 2-4 lengths:

Master of Hounds
Twice the Appeal
Watch Me Go
Twinspired

Midpack:

Mucho Macho Man
Santiva
Pants on Fire
Stay Thirsty
Midnight Interlude

Near Back:
Archarcharch
Toby's Corner
Nehro

Dead Closers:

Dialed In
Animal Kingdom
Brilliant Speed

[Thunder Gulch]

I could move a few up or down based on a running line or two, but this is a pretty good estimate. The posts may force a few hands when we see who has to go or take way back.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

On the lead or within a length:

Shackleford
Decisive Moment
Uncle Mo - think he'll be in the 2nd flight
Comma to the Top
Soldat

Within 2-4 lengths:
Master of Hounds - don't think he'll ever be close to the front
Twice the Appeal
Watch Me Go
Twinspired

Midpack:
Mucho Macho Man - maybe a little closer, especially since he'll be fresh
Santiva
Pants on Fire - closer
Stay Thirsty
Midnight Interlude

Near Back:
Archarcharch
Toby's Corner
Nehro

Dead Closers:
Dialed In
Animal Kingdom
Brilliant Speed

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[Indian Charlie]

I expect Mo to be 7-8 back.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I expect Mo to be 7-8 back.

I would be absolutely stunned if he's more than 3-4 lengths off the lead in the opening half-mile.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

Within 2-4 lengths:

Master of Hounds
Twice the Appeal
Watch Me Go
Twinspired

I would expect him to be (using your terminology) "midpack" or perhaps even "Near Back."

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

Within 2-4 lengths:

Master of Hounds

No chance he is this close, he has never faced the speed that he'll get in this race. I strongly doubt he has the juice to get up there.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I expect Mo to be 7-8 back.

His natural cruising speed - if 100%- will keep him within a few lengths. If he is 8 back, I'd be really worried.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

His natural cruising speed - if 100%- will keep him within a few lengths. If he is 8 back, I'd be really worried.

His natural cruising speed can be anything. For instance, he ran pretty easily in the Timely Writer, and if he runs anywhere near that pace again, he'll be a lot further back than 7-8.

Basically, if CTTT, Soldat and Shackleford set a real hot pace, I think JV will be content to let UM sit comfortably off the pace.

My expectation is for UM to go maybe around a 48 or so for the first half mile.

[tjfla]

Pace will be

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On the lead or within a length:

Shackleford-Romans said he is going
Decisive Moment
Comma to the Top-Will Run out front as long as he can go
Soldat-We already saw what happens with dirt in face

Within 2-4 lengths:
Uncle Mo
Mucho Macho Man
Pants on Fire
Watch Me Go
Twinspired

Midpack:
Twice the Appeal
Mucho Macho Man
Santiva
Stay Thirsty
Midnight Interlude
Master of Hounds

Near Back:
Archarcharch
Toby's Corner
Nehro
Animal Kingdom

Dead Closers:
Dialed In
Brilliant Speed

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

His natural cruising speed can be anything. For instance, he ran pretty easily in the Timely Writer, and if he runs anywhere near that pace again, he'll be a lot further back than 7-8.

Basically, if CTTT, Soldat and Shackleford set a real hot pace, I think JV will be content to let UM sit comfortably off the pace.

My expectation is for UM to go maybe around a 48 or so for the first half mile.

Then 24 then 48? That should do it easily enough.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Then 24 then 48? That should do it easily enough.

That should do what easily enough?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That should do what easily enough?

Win by 5-6.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Win by 5-6.

Oh. Well, yeah, that seems likely.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Oh. Well, yeah, that seems likely.

If he does in fact run those times, I would say so. 2 flat would (should) demolish this group and many before it.

[RolloTomasi]

I would change the word "expect" and its variations to "hope" or "crossing my fingers".

[NTamm1215]

I'm surprised anyone in here thinks Uncle Mo will be even marginally effective if he's 7-8 lengths off the pace early.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm surprised anyone in here thinks Uncle Mo will be even marginally effective if he's 7-8 lengths off the pace early.

Why?

Are you of the belief that he's some sort of speedball that cannot be effective sitting?

I'd be worried about him being 25 off the lead, maybe, but sitting even 10 off a hot pace shouldn't be an issue, possible traffic problems excluded.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm surprised anyone in here thinks Uncle Mo will be even marginally effective if he's 7-8 lengths off the pace early.

I think people are hoping he'll fall into a Super Saver-like trip.

You know, because that was such a definitive performance he uncorked and validated in subsequent starts.

He simply needs to regain his 2yo form--which was pretty potent setting or stalking the pace--to win.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why?

Are you of the belief that he's some sort of speedball that cannot be effective sitting?

I'd be worried about him being 25 off the lead, maybe, but sitting even 10 off a hot pace shouldn't be an issue, possible traffic problems excluded.

The horse has speed, why would you be interested in him being wrangled back and negating that asset?

In no way to I think he's a speedball who can't be effective sitting. However, there's a bit difference between sitting a length or two off the pace and 7-8 back as you're saying.

The only way Uncle Mo should be 10 off the pace is if they somehow go :43 and change. He has, or should I say had, a ton of natural speed in his best races last year.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think people are hoping he'll fall into a Super Saver-like trip.

You know, because that was such a definitive performance he uncorked and validated in subsequent starts.

He simply needs to regain his 2yo form--which was pretty potent setting or stalking the pace--to win.

Exactly. This is eerily reminiscent of all the people who believed that Sidney's Candy could win the Derby last year because they were of the opinion that he could rate. Now, he has proven since that he's a good horse but he's still never rated in any way, shape or form. Expecting a horse to be effective with a dramatic running style change in a race like the Derby is very dangerous. Unless you have Borel on board...