Are we getting close to a primetime Derby?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I disagree with this.

First thing is, there is more than one positive thing in racing besides the Derby. (Actually from a handicapping standpoint, I actually don't like the derby. Most of the horses have the same pp's, it just seems like a big crapshoot to me and you need more racing luck than usually to be successful.)

As far as other positive things go, the whole NYRA/NYOTB thing is extremely positive as far as I'm concerned. To already go with the entire Saratoga meet/expierence. Aside from the surface, Del Mar is another popular meet. Santa Anita going back to dirt is positive as well. Eibar Coa walking out of a hosipital is probably the most important and positive news of all. And so on, obviously there are issues with our sport, but then again there are issues with every sport. There is positive news around, you just have to choose to acknowledge it.

As far as the later post goes, how do you know it won't attract more people? Many other sports have moved their playoff games to the evenings (obviously talking weekends here), isn't that strictly for viewership? How do you know that it wouldn't translate over for the Derby? The answer is that you don't? Really what's the worst thing that could happen? Even if they lose a big number viewers, then just chalk it up as a failed expierment and move it back the next year. But if it works, it could be a tremendous success for the event and sport as a whole. I think the risk-reward makes it a no brainer to at least expierment with.

I disagree with most all of this...

The Derby is the greatest single betting race each year, there is so much value there that if you saved some of your weekly/monthly bankroll specifically for it and fired into that race alone, the ROI is simply awesome. Just because there isn't a blatant 2/5 shot for you to lynch onto doesnt make it a bad betting race...

NYRA = Joke. No matter what they do there, that is a big fat bureaucracy that is destined to fail...

Saratoga = NYRA's saving grace, they will destroy it, just give enough time..

Del Mar is the closest track to me, and it was RUINED by Polytrack... The quality of racing in CA is dwindling fast.

SA and Coa are positives.

As I said in my original post, changing to post time will not have any effect on TV viewership. People who want to see it live, will do so no matter the post. The people who want to record it, will do so as well.

Changing things just for the sake of change is pretty immature in my opinion.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by pba1817

I disagree with most all of this...

The Derby is the greatest single betting race each year, there is so much value there that if you saved some of your weekly/monthly bankroll specifically for it and fired into that race alone, the ROI is simply awesome. Just because there isn't a blatant 2/5 shot for you to lynch onto doesnt make it a bad betting race...

NYRA = Joke. No matter what they do there, that is a big fat bureaucracy that is destined to fail...

Saratoga = NYRA's saving grace, they will destroy it, just give enough time..

Del Mar is the closest track to me, and it was RUINED by Polytrack... The quality of racing in CA is dwindling fast.

SA and Coa are positives.

As I said in my original post, changing to post time will not have any effect on TV viewership. People who want to see it live, will do so no matter the post. The people who want to record it, will do so as well.

Changing things just for the sake of change is pretty immature in my opinion.

Yep, NYRA's a joke. They really fell on their face when the single largest bet taker on their races went belly up practically overnight. Er...

[SilverRP]

I'm for anything that will help this sport attract more fans. Primetime Derby would be fine with me, and I can't help to think that it would attract more fans.
I know the Derby is the Derby, but why don't the networks talk more and show the races leading up to the derby? Especially now that Pick 4's have become so popular. Too many people I know think the only race going on that day is the Derby. Just seems like such a waste of an opportunity to show off the sport!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by pba1817

I disagree with most all of this...

The Derby is the greatest single betting race each year, there is so much value there that if you saved some of your weekly/monthly bankroll specifically for it and fired into that race alone, the ROI is simply awesome. Just because there isn't a blatant 2/5 shot for you to lynch onto doesnt make it a bad betting race...

NYRA = Joke. No matter what they do there, that is a big fat bureaucracy that is destined to fail...

Saratoga = NYRA's saving grace, they will destroy it, just give enough time..

Del Mar is the closest track to me, and it was RUINED by Polytrack... The quality of racing in CA is dwindling fast.

SA and Coa are positives.

As I said in my original post, changing to post time will not have any effect on TV viewership. People who want to see it live, will do so no matter the post. The people who want to record it, will do so as well.

Changing things just for the sake of change is pretty immature in my opinion.

Who said anything about it being a bad betting race? I said I didn't like it from a handicapping standpoint, period. Maybe you should learn to read before making stupid comments about 2/5 shots. It's two totally different things we are talking about. Of course there is going to be great value in a 20 horse field.

You are entitled to your opinion about NYRA, regardless how ridculous it sounds. They did it for a while there with smoke and mirrors, so you will probably be eating those words very soon with the infusion of cash that will be coming.

As far as the post time goes, you are right that the regular players will watch it whatever time it's on. Now you are trying to capture as many other non regulars as possible, so what's the harm of casting a line into the primetime waters hoping you catch the big one? I don't see the harm in trying it once to see what the numbers are.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You are entitled to your opinion about NYRA, regardless how ridculous it sounds. They did it for a while there with smoke and mirrors, so you will probably be eating those words very soon with the infusion of cash that will be coming.

I see the cash coming in bigtime given the massive influx of on-track handle. They spent a little to bring the NYCOTB on track, and while Aqueduct in the winter ain't much, a 70% increase in your attendance will do wonders to your cash flow with all that on-track take.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I see the cash coming in bigtime given the massive influx of on-track handle. They spent a little to bring the NYCOTB on track, and while Aqueduct in the winter ain't much, a 70% increase in your attendance will do wonders to your cash flow with all that on-track take.

The value of a $1 bet in the building, on the grounds vs. $1 bet from some facility 500 miles away cannot be emphasized enough. Most people don't really understand how significant it is. It's often up to 3x as valuable (if not more). Then when you factor in additional revenue via food/bev etc., it's a big deal.