Derby Trail Next Start-Likely/Possible

[Indian Charlie]

Instead of perhaps getting rid of 2yo earnings, I'd toss sprint earnings.

By sprint, I mean anything under a mile. The number of turns would be irrelevant.

Not that any of this really matters.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Instead of perhaps getting rid of 2yo earnings, I'd toss sprint earnings.

By sprint, I mean anything under a mile. The number of turns would be irrelevant.

Not that any of this really matters.

I'd start the clock at the Breeders Cup and toss anything less than 8 furlongs and Turf but I don't see tossing synthetic.

[justindew]

Considering Mine That Bird would have failed to make the field if either juvenile or synthetic earning didn't count, I would say there is a 0% chance any of that happens.

[slotdirt]

I would pay large sums of money to not have to remember that Mine that Bird won the 2009 Derby, so if he was somehow not entered in that field, I'd have no problem with it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by justindew

Considering Mine That Bird would have failed to make the field if either juvenile or synthetic earning didn't count, I would say there is a 0% chance any of that happens.

i'm pretty sure there would have still been a derby winner. and i don't think he would aid anyone's argument.
they need to limit the field size to 14 as well. why they ever allowed more than that i don't know.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they need to limit the field size to 14 as well. why they ever allowed more than that i don't know.

Wasn't this talked about a lot after Eight Belles broke down? It doesn't seem to be discussed much lately. When I see 20 horses break from the gate, I feel like it's a disaster waiting to happen. Not to mention that with a 20 horse field the trip a horse gets may be significantly more important than his actual ability.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by justindew

Considering Mine That Bird would have failed to make the field if either juvenile or synthetic earning didn't count, I would say there is a 0% chance any of that happens.

The minute that any logic for the Kentucky Derby is revised because it would have elminated Mine That Bird...I'm done.

[randallscott35]

3 yr old graded earnings only. A what have you done for me lately field is what it should be.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

The minute that any logic for the Kentucky Derby is revised because it would have elminated Mine That Bird...I'm done.

Why? Because horses aren't allowed to get good for one 5 week period in their career? Mine That Bird won the Derby fair and square. And he damn near won the Preakness and the Belmont. He unquestionably accomplished the most throughout the entire Triple Crown that year. And it seems the majority of the posters here would have been fine with a system that excluded him, seemingly so that horses like Twinspired can earn a berth. You people are out of your minds.

Or maybe they could just restrict the field to the horses that brought the highest price at auction. And save 5 spots for the homebreds whose sires have the highest stud fees.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

Why? Because horses aren't allowed to get good for one 5 week period in their career? Mine That Bird won the Derby fair and square. And he damn near won the Preakness and the Belmont. He unquestionably accomplished the most throughout the entire Triple Crown that year. And it seems the majority of the posters here would have been fine with a system that excluded him, seemingly so that horses like Twinspired can earn a berth. You people are out of your minds.

Or maybe they could just restrict the field to the horses that brought the highest price at auction. And save 5 spots for the homebreds whose sires have the highest stud fees.

The fact that Mine That Bird had an incredible Triple Crown run, which he did, doesn't change the fact that he had HORRIBLE credentials for the Derby. Only in a fluky year where the earnings basement was so low was he even able to get into the field.

Basing Mine That Bird being deserving of entry into the Derby on his 2YO form in Canada is idiotic. Are you seriously comparing him to a horse like Twinspired who has hit the board in two prep races (albeit on synthetics)? To steal a line from someone who lurks here, Twinspired is Alydar at this point compared to Mine That Bird.

I'm not even sure why MTB came up in this discussion. His Derby candidacy and the race that he ran to win it should forever be considered the exception. Am I glad he got into the Derby that year? Sure, but that three race stretch he put together was nothing short of shocking.

[PatCummings]

If we are talking about things to change in the Derby camp, how about limiting the field to 14.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The fact that Mine That Bird had an incredible Triple Crown run, which he did, doesn't change the fact that he had HORRIBLE credentials for the Derby. Only in a fluky year where the earnings basement was so low was he even able to get into the field.

Basing Mine That Bird being deserving of entry into the Derby on his 2YO form in Canada is idiotic. Are you seriously comparing him to a horse like Twinspired who has hit the board in two prep races (albeit on synthetics)? To steal a line from someone who lurks here, Twinspired is Alydar at this point compared to Mine That Bird.

I'm not even sure why MTB came up in this discussion. His Derby candidacy and the race that he ran to win it should forever be considered the exception. Am I glad he got into the Derby that year? Sure, but that three race stretch he put together was nothing short of shocking.

Blatantly false. Only 20 horses entered the Derby that year. He would have gotten in with $0 in earnings. In fact, the 20th ranked horse by earnings, Nowhere to Hide, was a late addition to the field. They almost drew with 19 horses.