3-year-old Recap - Updated Derby Chances

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You're still way off, but that's ok. I'm certainly not humorless or single-minded. . . I guess I just don't find you funny and don't care to seek out my daily source of levity here.

I can tell when you're joking (or trying to), but it's clear at times that when the conversation is about Uncle Mo, you're just as incapable of being objective as the two posters you've so brilliantly fashioned your (supposed) elaborate parody after.

I don't find anything objectionable in your posts, but I also don't really see anything of particular merit or worth. When have you ever given a real opinion and supported it with anything persuasive? That's why I find your relationship with Doug so interesting - he's a brilliant handicapper, and you're just the guy commenting in his threads with sock jokes, but for some reason he gives you the time of day. The difference between you and him is that he can offer both worthwhile information and actual humor, all you've got is the latter. . . or your best attempt. Or is the whole "I'm joking all the time" act just to insulate yourself from your mediocre opinion?

Your vague comments about Uncle Mo's performance Saturday certainly weren't aimed at comedy, but they didn't offer anything of substance either. Thanks for pointing out that a horse who was lumbering home for third didn't seem to be running his best, though. Or was there some joke that I wasn't in on? Man, you're so good at making me feel stupid (insert sarcasm emoticon).

You took great offense--and offended in turn--to me pointing out that your discussion about R Heat Lightning vs. Joe Vann/Brethren was ridiculous because two of the three runners weren't even going to compete and the third was an exposed bum (he only has a 0.50% chance of winning according to "Savantore"). How am I the nonsensical one in that scenario? Maybe your point was "R Heat Lightning is so hopeless that I would take two other hopeless horses who also have no shot before her." If so, could you spell that out better for us slow folk next time? Mine was a passing comment - there was no room for any logic to even get twisted around.

You're pretty easy to figure out. . . You're the guy who likes to create the illusion of intelligence by pegging others as "retards," "Zentards," or any other group you can oh so cleverly add "tard" to. In going back to read your posts - I got through one page, and it's disturbing how many of them involve some vain attempt to assert your perceived intelligence. No reasonably intelligent person would devote so much energy to that pursuit.

Dude, you have me pegged perfectly. I think you might have missed your calling by not getting into the mental health field.

To address a couple of points beyond your brilliant insight into my illusion of intelligence:

When I have a fairly strong opinion on something, I post it. I'm not one to throw out a zillion ideas or opinions just because I can. If something is really obvious, why state it? If my belief in something is minimal, again, why post it?

True, I don't go through a card and post my picks for the day, if that's what you are talking about. That is simply not my interest. However, many times I've gone against the grain, or popular opinion on a well known horse, and I've almost always been right.

I'd also be curious as to where I've posted anything resembling mindless adoration for Uncle Mo. When not in jest anyways, which you claim to be able to tell from a more serious toned post.

Finally, as for taking great offense to R Heat Lighting winning the Derby. I did no such thing. It's a preposterous idea, and I let you know it. Just because I posted an opinion (a true rarity!) that was sharply different than yours, doesn't mean I took offense.

In fact, I think the only time I took offense at anything on here was when Smooth Operatard (oops, there I go again) cut me down hard with his Loser1 crack.

Oh yeah, the Dougie thing. He gives me the time of day because he knows that I, in his own words, 'think outside the box' and that I often see things a lot of people miss. Which is why I give him the time of day as well.

That, and I'm not a tard!

As for you, maybe you are not humorless and single minded in real life, but you do seem to be here, which is all I can go on. Lighten up a little bit and try to realize not everyone here has the same objectives, or viewpoints as you.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

mumble, mumble, mumble - babble babble babble - blah, blah

FTFY.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

FTFY.

Sharp post!

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Finally, as for taking great offense to R Heat Lighting winning the Derby. I did no such thing. It's a preposterous idea, and I let you know it. Just because I posted an opinion (a true rarity!) that was sharply different than yours, doesn't mean I took offense.

I'm done with this. . . but you're still confused. I NEVER said R Heat Lightning could win the Derby. I said the opposite. You do realize I wasn't the one who originally had that discussion with you, right?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm done with this. . . but you're still confused. I NEVER said R Heat Lightning could win the Derby. I said the opposite. You do realize I wasn't the one who originally had that discussion with you, right?

Yes, I do realize that.

Yet, you keep bothering me about my saying that R Heat Lightning can't possibly win the Derby.

Maybe your confusion has confused me.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yes, I do realize that.

Yet, you keep bothering me about my saying that R Heat Lightning can't possibly win the Derby.

Maybe your confusion has confused me.

I'm bothering you because of your insulting and laughably inaccurate conclusions about me. . . I could not care less about your opinion on an actual horse race.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm bothering you because of your insulting and laughably inaccurate conclusions about me. . . I could not care less about your opinion on an actual horse race.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Which explains why you are bothering me ABOUT R Heat Lightning, and not my laughably inaccurate conclusions about you.

I repeat, yet again. Marshmallow.

[Dahoss]

It's too bad Da Hoss was gelded. I would have had fun "joking" about his offspring.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's too bad Da Hoss was gelded. I would have had fun "joking" about his offspring.

No doubt.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You do realize I wasn't the one who originally had that discussion with you, right?

The irony in this is I never said that R Heat Lightning could win. I do think you have to consider running though, at least if you own her, given how lame every other prep has looked so far.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The irony in this is I never said that R Heat Lightning could win. I do think you have to consider running though, at least if you own her, given how lame every other prep has looked so far.

I see what you're saying with her. . . and I don't think it'd be a completely crazy idea to run her because, on paper, she looks extremely logical. It's the whole "would you rather be 2-1 for $1M or 12-1 for $2M?" debate. I assume Mrs. Robsham would keep her for breeding, which makes the decision easier.

One passing comment I made while not really paying attention and focusing on covering the sale has become much more of a focal point than it was intended to be. . .

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The irony in this is I never said that R Heat Lightning could win. I do think you have to consider running though, at least if you own her, given how lame every other prep has looked so far.

No. The irony is that all I said was that she would get slaughtered in the Derby.

Then, I said she would be a worse fit than either Brethren or that Illinois Derby winner. Apparently, that must mean that I was giving out the exacta, or something.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

No. The irony is that all I said was that she would get slaughtered in the Derby.

Then, I said she would be a worse fit than either Brethren or that Illinois Derby winner. Apparently, that must mean that I was giving out the exacta, or something.

No, that just means that your opinion, in this case, is s.hit.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No, that just means that your opinion, in this case, is s.hit.

Maybe with Joe Vann. Brethren would most likely finish ahead of R Heat Lightning in the Derby.

And let's be clear on this. I am no fan of Brethren, and thought he was overrated from the get go.

My entire point in saying that was to say that the Derby is an absolutely horrific fit for that filly.

It is astonishing that people don't see that.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Maybe with Joe Vann. Brethren would most likely finish ahead of R Heat Lightning in the Derby.

And let's be clear on this. I am no fan of Brethren, and thought he was overrated from the get go.

My entire point in saying that was to say that the Derby is an absolutely horrific fit for that filly.

It is astonishing that people don't see that.

This is the problem with this entire thread, which I was dumb enough to read all of. You're taking your opinion and then insulting anyone who disagrees with it. You think she'd be a bad fit, some have disagreed, it's perfectly OK for there to be differing viewpoints.

There's something that needs to be mentioned in every discussion on this message board about the Derby. We have just been treated to seven of the worst Derby preps in the last 20 years. There has been very, very little to like about any of them (Wood-Spiral-Sunland Derby-Fla Derby-Wood-Ill Derby-SA Derby). In that time period there was a pretty damn good performance by a filly.

There are plenty of factors that go into whether she could be competitive in the Derby. They should be weighed by her connections. No one is saying she should go or would be a great fit, but hell, there's no way I'd completely dismiss it if I owned her.