4/9 (AQU): Wood, Carter (G1's), Comely, Bay Shore (G3's)

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What he did today doesn't negate his brilliant performance in the Juvy.

That said, I still feel that when the Kentucky Derby favorite doesn't debut until a fabricated stake on March 12, something's amiss.

Where was this brilliant insight before the race went off...?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Where was this brilliant insight before the race went off...?

The hypocrisy of this comment is suffocating.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The hypocrisy of this comment is suffocating.

The truth is hard to swallow...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pba1817

The truth is hard to swallow...

Your next insightful comment on this board will be your first, so I'd pipe down if I were you.

[MaTH716]

He really has no excuses. I'm sure the Repole camp will cook something up.

But I have to admit that I was a bit suprised when JV went right to the lead. I know the fractions weren't that quick, but I just figured that he would try to get that garden stalking spot (plus get him accustomed to some tight quarters/dirt in the face). Then at the top of the stretch you figured he would just kick it in and pull away and there was still nothing. On top of that JV did that patented ridiculous look behind him move and you figured he still had some horse, but he was absolutely empty.

I'm not sure what to think. It was the only race of the day that I did see, so I have no idea about any biases and if maybe the rail was dead (not sure if they got rain in Queens last night, but I know it poured in Jersey all day). Still all that does is cook up an excuse for a horse who was only supposed to lose if the Jock fell off his back. I guess he just falls back into the category of being a good 3 year old in what looks like a very medicore 3 year old crop.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

HBut I have to admit that I was a bit suprised when JV went right to the lead. I know the fractions weren't that quick, but I just figured that he would try to get that garden stalking spot (plus get him accustomed to some tight quarters/dirt in the face). Then at the top of the stretch you figured he would just kick it in and pull away and there was still nothing. On top of that JV did that patented ridiculous look behind him move and you figured he still had some horse, but he was absolutely empty.

I don't think he tried for the lead, but nobody else went, so what is he going to do? Rein the horse in and risk traffic trouble while letting some horse with less speed than him go by? He knew the other riders were going to try to beat him at all costs, so I think he was hesitant to get covered up if he didn't have to. Plus, like you said, the fractions weren't very quick. On the lead or off of it, he was going to lose today.

Watching the replay, I think his stride looked a little weird going around the turn, like he was reaching out and trying hard to keep up even though Velazquez hadn't asked him yet.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't think he tried for the lead, but nobody else went, so what is he going to do? Rein the horse in and risk traffic trouble while letting some horse with less speed than him go by? He knew the other riders were going to try to beat him at all costs, so I think he was hesitant to get covered up if he didn't have to. Plus, like you said, the fractions weren't very quick. On the lead or off of it, he was going to lose today.

Watching the replay, I think his stride looked a little weird going around the turn, like he was reaching out and trying hard to keep up even though Velazquez hadn't asked him yet.

Agreed. If anything, I think you are understating things.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He really has no excuses. I'm sure the Repole camp will cook something up.

But I have to admit that I was a bit suprised when JV went right to the lead. I know the fractions weren't that quick, but I just figured that he would try to get that garden stalking spot (plus get him accustomed to some tight quarters/dirt in the face). Then at the top of the stretch you figured he would just kick it in and pull away and there was still nothing. On top of that JV did that patented ridiculous look behind him move and you figured he still had some horse, but he was absolutely empty.

I'm not sure what to think. It was the only race of the day that I did see, so I have no idea about any biases and if maybe the rail was dead (not sure if they got rain in Queens last night, but I know it poured in Jersey all day). Still all that does is cook up an excuse for a horse who was only supposed to lose if the Jock fell off his back. I guess he just falls back into the category of being a good 3 year old in what looks like a very medicore 3 year old crop.

I am with you on this Matt. I was really surprised to see him go to the lead, granted, no else wanted it, but still I don't think that was the plan. On the first turn when he got the lead I had a feeling he might be in trouble. I don't think there was a bias today, but it is hard to see how he benefitted by going to the lead. It will be interesting to see at this point whether he comes up lame, retired, or continues on the trail. The big question is the possible distance limitations, but not sure that was the issue today from that run. Pretty puzzling effort overall.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Your next insightful comment on this board will be your first, so I'd pipe down if I were you.

Why should I pipe down...?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Why should I pipe down...?

Because you serve no purpose here except to stir things up. I've never seen you post a play or analyze a race, so tweaking me for saying something in retrospect about Mo's campaign is laughable. You're an enormous douchebag who's looking for some new people to piss off now that Zenyatta's retired along with your pom poms.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because you serve no purpose here except to stir things up. I've never seen you post a play or analyze a race, so tweaking me for saying something in retrospect about Mo's campaign is laughable. You're an enormous douchebag who's looking for some new people to piss off now that Zenyatta's retired along with your pom poms.

It is funny how many doucebags have come out of the woodworks this week, Joey. It will probably get worse as we get closer to the Derby.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because you serve no purpose here except to stir things up. I've never seen you post a play or analyze a race, so tweaking me for saying something in retrospect about Mo's campaign is laughable. You're an enormous douchebag who's looking for some new people to piss off now that Zenyatta's retired along with your pom poms.

WTF are you talking about dude...?

[randallscott35]

Pletcher's best chance is Joe Vann

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Where was this brilliant insight before the race went off...?

yeah right, half the world was saying it....including me...i even said i could not wait to bet against this horse.....