NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

horseofcourse · #1 12-28-2010, 02:01 PM

The Bengals have 5 post season wins in 43 years. In 40 of their 43 years they do not have a post season win. Comprehend just how bad this organization really is, and then tell me what a terrible job Marvin Lewis did there. Marvin did very, very well. Marvin's first playoff team was pretty good and his qb got hurt on the first play of the post season. He got a not very good team to win a division last year in a division with the two participants in the previous year's AFC championship game. His first really bad team was with Ryan Fitzpatrick playing qb....they started 1-11-1 and won their last 3 games of the season....did not quit. This year is another bad team and again is playing their best football right now....did not quit. I'm not a big Palmer fan but you know he is better than Fitzpatrick especially then.

I'm a Cleveland Indians fan too. I can still say Joey votto is a good first baseman. As a Browns fan, I hope they fire Marvin and hire a Josh McDaniels, or Petrino rather than a Haley or Ryan, or Mike Smith. After all, in 8 years with Marvin, the Bengals fnished ahead of the Browns 6 times. The two times he didn't are this year, and the other time the Browns needed to beat Marvin's team to clinch a playoff berth and Marvin's team beat them. You're darn right I want him fired. That's applicable I guess. I think the chances are better than 50-50 they hire a worse coach than him which was my point all along.

Ok, You got me on the Marvin Lewis should be fired without question. You really did!! I'll stand alone on this one but is that the only item that proves you are wrong on message boards?? I was ganged up upon. I don't care. My points are solid and everyone knows it.

ateamstupid · #2 12-29-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The Bengals have 5 post season wins in 43 years. In 40 of their 43 years they do not have a post season win. Comprehend just how bad this organization really is, and then tell me what a terrible job Marvin Lewis did there. Marvin did very, very well. Marvin's first playoff team was pretty good and his qb got hurt on the first play of the post season. He got a not very good team to win a division last year in a division with the two participants in the previous year's AFC championship game. His first really bad team was with Ryan Fitzpatrick playing qb....they started 1-11-1 and won their last 3 games of the season....did not quit. This year is another bad team and again is playing their best football right now....did not quit. I'm not a big Palmer fan but you know he is better than Fitzpatrick especially then.

Durr they won two in a row after losing 11 out of 13, give that man a raise!

Your arguments are ridiculous. I don't care if he was coaching the Bad News Bears, he's made absolutely no progress from his good start and should be fired. I'm willing to bet you didn't see either of their losses to the Bucs and Saints. They were embarrassing defeats that were a direct result of terrible coaching.

I can't even believe you're still belaboring this absurd point that because the Bengals suck historically, he should be allowed to go 7-9 and 8-8 and 4-12 for the rest of infinity. That's complete loser bullshit.

NTamm1215 · #3 12-29-2010, 08:25 PM

Don't expect Kubiak to get canned. Bob McNair is soft and likes the "good guy" image that Kubiak conveys. There's been a lot of talk about Wade Phillips becoming the new Defensive Coordinator and it's a great career move for him, the Texans defense can't get any worse. Any unit that makes Tim Tebow look like a legit NFL QB is obviously terrible.

Nascar1966 · #4 12-29-2010, 10:32 PM

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Don't expect Kubiak to get canned. Bob McNair is soft and likes the "good guy" image that Kubiak conveys. There's been a lot of talk about Wade Phillips becoming the new Defensive Coordinator and it's a great career move for him, the Texans defense can't get any worse. Any unit that makes Tim Tebow look like a legit NFL QB is obviously terrible.

Phillips as a Defensive Coordinator might be a great move. He has excelled when serving in that capacity only. I still don't have a warm and fuzzy about Kubiak staying. If they the Texans get Philips as D coordinator than i'm assuming this will be Kubiak's make it or your fired year.

horseofcourse · #5 12-29-2010, 09:15 PM

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Durr they won two in a row after losing 11 out of 13, give that man a raise!

Your arguments are ridiculous. I don't care if he was coaching the Bad News Bears, he's made absolutely no progress from his good start and should be fired. I'm willing to bet you didn't see either of their losses to the Bucs and Saints. They were embarrassing defeats that were a direct result of terrible coaching.

I can't even believe you're still belaboring this absurd point that because the Bengals suck historically, he should be allowed to go 7-9 and 8-8 and 4-12 for the rest of infinity. That's complete loser bullshit.

Please stop. They are not ridiculous arguments. You disagree with my defense of marvin lewis which is fine. That's it. Nothing I said was ridiculous. I pretty much just stated facts. You think the facts support firing him. As I said, that's fine. I would keep him one more year as we don't know what will happen with the labor situation etc, and to jump on a new guy right now would be silly I think. You know what you have. If they lock out you lose nothing having Marvin one more year. It's the Bengals.

I did not see the Bucs game...I saw the end of the Saints game when the guy fell for the get them to jump offside ploy. (as is typical you left out 11-5, 10-6 seasons in your for rest of infinity argument...are you for real??)

horseofcourse · #6 12-29-2010, 09:26 PM

How many years do you give Ryan to get the Jets to the Super Bowl before you fire him?? I'm not being facetious or anything. It's just a question for you.

Dahoss · #7 12-29-2010, 11:20 PM

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How many years do you give Ryan to get the Jets to the Super Bowl before you fire him?? I'm not being facetious or anything. It's just a question for you.

Is this Cleveland humor?

horseofcourse · #8 12-30-2010, 12:15 AM

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Is this Cleveland humor?

what's humorous about it?? I am asking a serious qeustion for ateam as to what would be his length of time not winning a Super Bowl to keep Ryan. It's very simple. 8 years, no Super Bowls, 2 playoffs, no wins is beyond obviously enough to fire Lewis as every single person who types on this board agrees with save me. There is obviously some set level as to when you fire a coach which I am unaware of. I am trying to educate myself. I want to know where that point lies with Ryan with the Jets. cowher went what 13 years before winning a Super Bowl?? Should the Steelers have waited that long??

Why is it so hard to answer a very simple question? As Jets fan, how long do you want to keep Ryan should he fail to win a Super Bowl....obviously if that happens it changes everything, but I'm just asking a very simple question, how long do you keep him if he doesn't do that?

You guys have proven that you are way, way, way, way smarter than me. I find it odd you can't educate someone stupid,l or if not stupid, someone who needs educated. It's a really simple question, that I think has a hard unsolvable answer. You guys have obviously solved it as it is unanimously time to fire Lewis. I am the singular person on this board who is not convinced it is absolutely time. You should know how long to give Ryan.

horseofcourse · #9 12-30-2010, 12:36 AM

You know, just help a person out here.
show me the....

Dahoss · #10 12-30-2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what's humorous about it?? I am asking a serious qeustion for ateam as to what would be his length of time not winning a Super Bowl to keep Ryan. It's very simple. 8 years, no Super Bowls, 2 playoffs, no wins is beyond obviously enough to fire Lewis as every single person who types on this board agrees with save me. There is obviously some set level as to when you fire a coach which I am unaware of. I am trying to educate myself. I want to know where that point lies with Ryan with the Jets. cowher went what 13 years before winning a Super Bowl?? Should the Steelers have waited that long??

Why is it so hard to answer a very simple question? As Jets fan, how long do you want to keep Ryan should he fail to win a Super Bowl....obviously if that happens it changes everything, but I'm just asking a very simple question, how long do you keep him if he doesn't do that?

You guys have proven that you are way, way, way, way smarter than me. I find it odd you can't educate someone stupid,l or if not stupid, someone who needs educated. It's a really simple question, that I think has a hard unsolvable answer. You guys have obviously solved it as it is unanimously time to fire Lewis. I am the singular person on this board who is not convinced it is absolutely time. You should know how long to give Ryan.

I'll take this as a yes. Hilarious.

dalakhani · #11 12-30-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what's humorous about it?? I am asking a serious qeustion for ateam as to what would be his length of time not winning a Super Bowl to keep Ryan. It's very simple. 8 years, no Super Bowls, 2 playoffs, no wins is beyond obviously enough to fire Lewis as every single person who types on this board agrees with save me. There is obviously some set level as to when you fire a coach which I am unaware of. I am trying to educate myself. I want to know where that point lies with Ryan with the Jets. cowher went what 13 years before winning a Super Bowl?? Should the Steelers have waited that long??

Why is it so hard to answer a very simple question? As Jets fan, how long do you want to keep Ryan should he fail to win a Super Bowl....obviously if that happens it changes everything, but I'm just asking a very simple question, how long do you keep him if he doesn't do that?

You guys have proven that you are way, way, way, way smarter than me. I find it odd you can't educate someone stupid,l or if not stupid, someone who needs educated. It's a really simple question, that I think has a hard unsolvable answer. You guys have obviously solved it as it is unanimously time to fire Lewis. I am the singular person on this board who is not convinced it is absolutely time. You should know how long to give Ryan.

Obviously, there was a big difference with Cowher and even Ryan for that matter. Ryan won his first playoff game ironically it was against Marvin Lewis. Cowher won multiple playoffs games, division titles and made a superbowl in those 13 years.

Who set the bar of success at superbowl? Heck, Marty Schott has never been to a superbowl and i think he's great.

8 years and zero playoff wins and only two trips to the playoffs. Ryan surpassed that in his first year. I think Cowher did that by his second. As a matter of fact, I can't think of ANY coach that has been 8 years on the same team without a playoff win with no previous success.

If he goes the next three seasons without any playoff wins, they might chase him. That run last year bought him a lot of capital.

Ryan, one season, two playoff wins. Marvin, 8 seasons, zero playoff wins. What am I missing here?