NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They overwhelmingly are. The pathetic list of 'arguments' you just listed is clear proof.

You go on and on about his lack of playoff wins. His best team he ever had back when Carson Palmer was actually a very good quarterback he tore up his knee on the first pass he threw ( a 70 yard completion.) that game. They played the whole game with Jon Kitna. That really happened. There's even color photographs.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You go on and on about his lack of playoff wins. His best team he ever had back when Carson Palmer was actually a very good quarterback he tore up his knee on the first pass he threw ( a 70 yard completion.) that game. They played the whole game with Jon Kitna. That really happened. There's even color photographs.

So what about the other seven seasons? Let's hear the eight years of excuses. I'm sure you have the time. Or is it just 'Carson Palmer sucks!'?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So what about the other seven seasons? Let's hear the eight years of excuses. I'm sure you have the time. Or is it just 'Carson Palmer sucks!'?

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

No it f'ing isn't. It's the inability to make the team more than a mediocrity in eight chances to do so. It's great that he made them not a laughingstock for a little while. But eventually, he has to do better than that. He hasn't done it and he's had plenty of time. The 4-11 is just the final straw.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No it f'ing isn't. It's the inability to make the team more than a mediocrity in eight chances to do so. It's great that he made them not a laughingstock for a little while. But eventually, he has to do better than that. He hasn't done it and he's had plenty of time. The 4-11 is just the final straw.

I feel any coach they hire will have a tough time making them a yearly NFL Super Bowl contending power or even have the success that Marvin Lewis had. The Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 coaches in the last 41 years. They are the model to follow. He did work for Mike Brown and for the most part put a competetive team on the field every year he coached.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I feel any coach they hire will have a tough time making them a yearly NFL Super Bowl contending power or even have the success that Marvin Lewis had. The Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 coaches in the last 41 years. They are the model to follow. He did work for Mike Brown and for the most part put a competetive team on the field every year he coached.

So no team should ever fire a coach that continually produces mediocrity because the Steelers weren't retarded enough to fire Noll (Super Bowl wins in his 6th and 7th seasons), Cowher (SB appearance in his 4th season) or Tomlin (SB win in his 2nd season). Well reasoned.

He did work for Mike Brown? What the hell does that mean?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So no team should ever fire a coach that continually produces mediocrity because the Steelers weren't retarded enough to fire Noll (Super Bowl wins in his 6th and 7th seasons), Cowher (SB appearance in his 4th season) or Tomlin (SB win in his 2nd season). Well reasoned.

He did work for Mike Brown? What the hell does that mean?

2 playoff appearances in 7 years is a bonanza of success in Cincy for Mike Brown after 12 years of zero. One man's mediocrity isn't anothers.

Mike Brown is not highly thought of in Cincinnati as being an acute NFL owner.

Anyone can get fired. I honestly don't care. I just like to defend Marvin Lewis is all. I'm not a giant fan of coaches too much. I'm not sure firing coaches is the be all and end all for a franchise's success. Sometimes it might be better to hang on to them longer than you might think you should.

[dalakhani]

Horseofcouse,

I think that this is an uphill battle. I think Marvin Lewis is a mediocrity at best. You can only blame the small market thing for so long. Good coaches overcome those disadvantages if given that much time. No?

Isn't there a pattern when it comes to good coaches or bad ones for that matter? And I do agree that some of it has a great deal to do with luck.

You mentioned Marty Schottenheimer. Isn't it crazy what his record has been everywhere he goes? Markets don't get much smaller than cleveland, san diego and KC. Contender in each stop?

What would Marty Schottenheimer do with this Cincy team? You know the answer.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

These stats are all good but you must factor in the salary cap. In the years of futility you are referencing there was no cap and cheap small market franchises suffered. In the salary cap era there are very few teams that have not won a playoff game in the same length of time. None with the same coach.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 3kings

These stats are all good but you must factor in the salary cap. In the years of futility you are referencing there was no cap and cheap small market franchises suffered. In the salary cap era there are very few teams that have not won a playoff game in the same length of time. None with the same coach.

My start of comparison is the Cleveland Browns you have to realize. I see 7 years of over .500 football and it is impossible for me to call that a bad coach! I view two 5-11 years from Mangini as actual good football. EVeryone's point of reference is different which is why I like to argue stuff that seems undefendable.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

Well, it's still early and they have yet to play the Steelers and Ravens, but you know, the camp of the Bengals shouldn't fire Marvin Lewis stood at 1 on this board.

[clyde]

This is so true....



Mr. Rogers of Cleveland should go right after the final gun in Pittsburgh goes off.

He most likely won't,but God I hope so.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by clyde

This is so true....



Mr. Rogers of Cleveland should go right after the final gun in Pittsburgh goes off.

He most likely won't,but God I hope so.

well, I was solidly in the camp of the Browns shouldn't fire Mangini as well. that move's paid off solidly!!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, it's still early and they have yet to play the Steelers and Ravens, but you know, the camp of the Bengals shouldn't fire Marvin Lewis stood at 1 on this board.

3-5 to end the season if they are lucky.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

3-5 to end the season if they are lucky.

Why thank you. I take this sentence as a backhanded compliment which translated means..."Horseofcourse, I'll give you this one. You weren't 100 percent insane for thinking marvin Lewis shouldn't have been fired after the 2010 season...perhaps only 98 percent!"

and no...if they were real lucky, they'd go 8-0 to end the season. If they were just lucky they'd go 5-3 getting 1 of 4 against bal and pitt and also houston. Going 3-5 is just saying if they do as I expect they'll beat Cleveland, St Louis and Arizona and lose all the Baltimore and Pitt games. they really wouldn't have to get lucky at all to go 3-5 the rest of the way. I'm hoping they can also win one of the 4 against the big boys and also beat Houston perhaps and have double digit wins which I am certainly pulling for after this nonsensical thread last year!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Why thank you. I take this sentence as a backhanded compliment which translated means..."Horseofcourse, I'll give you this one. You weren't 100 percent insane for thinking marvin Lewis shouldn't have been fired after the 2010 season...perhaps only 98 percent!"

and no...if they were real lucky, they'd go 8-0 to end the season. If they were just lucky they'd go 5-3 getting 1 of 4 against bal and pitt and also houston. Going 3-5 is just saying if they do as I expect they'll beat Cleveland, St Louis and Arizona and lose all the Baltimore and Pitt games. they really wouldn't have to get lucky at all to go 3-5 the rest of the way. I'm hoping they can also win one of the 4 against the big boys and also beat Houston perhaps and have double digit wins which I am certainly pulling for after this nonsensical thread last year!

Let's see if they make the playoffs before you start patting yourself on the back.