Bernardini IS

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He beat Wanderin Boy, who Invasor was all out to beat in the Pimlico Special. Bernardini ran by WB quite easily after he let WB set slow early fractions. Of course, the Pimlico Special wasn't quite as long as the JCGC.

Actually the second quarter was pretty brisk because he was feeling the pressure of a greater steed to his outside.

I just have questions about his ability to handle late pressure. He might not face it in the BCC but IF Lava Man ships and doesn't throw in a clunker, then you'll definitely see an epic battle between the two. I've been a doubter of LM but he really showed me something yesterday and he's got me excited about the BCC. It's not Bernardini's to lose now.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Actually the second quarter was pretty brisk because he was feeling the pressure of a greater steed to his outside.

I just have questions about his ability to handle late pressure. He might not face it in the BCC but IF Lava Man ships and doesn't throw in a clunker, then you'll definitely see an epic battle between the two. I've been a doubter of LM but he really showed me something yesterday and he's got me excited about the BCC. It's not Bernardini's to lose now.

So wait. Lava Man "really showed you something" in beating BROTHER DEREK at nine furlongs by 2 1/4 under urging, but Bernardini beating Wanderin Boy by 6 3/4 at ten panels in a gallop was nothing? Way to go.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So wait. Lava Man "really showed you something" in beating BROTHER DEREK at nine furlongs by 2 1/4 under urging, but Bernardini beating Wanderin Boy by 6 3/4 at ten panels in a gallop was nothing? Way to go.

In a handicap where he's giving 9lbs hell yes he showed me something. And i'll take a horse that fights to win over one that hasn't been looked in the eye or asked down the stretch anyday. Especially when the odds will be much better with the proven fighter.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

In a handicap where he's giving 9lbs hell yes he showed me something. And i'll take a horse that fights to win over one that hasn't been looked in the eye or asked down the stretch anyday. Especially when the odds will be much better with the proven fighter.

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

If you're this upset over a differing opinion I can only imagine what you would be like at the BCC if Bern loses. It's just an opinion, man!!

I've seen too many sure things not come through to get behind the horse so passionately like some of you have. No pun intended there.

Just look at the Titans-Colts right now. Who woulda thunk that the Titans would be leading late in the fourth?

The BCC is where he's most vulnerable. He's a play against at extremely short odds. I've never denied the horse is great. This is my opinion purely from a gambling perspective. Either he's beatable or the race is unbettable outside of big exotic tickets.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Hey Phil,

Nice to see you back ... keep on posting.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Classic. And so true. Even Lava Man's trainer says that based on figures, he knows that Lava Man is going to have to step up and run a career best race to beat Bernardini.

[The Bid]

Hell have to run a career best to hit the board. He can forget about winning

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I guess so...

He's not Pegasus. He's lost before and I'm sure he'll get beat again at some point in his career. I never said he wasn't a special horse... I'm just not willing to compare him to some of the all time greats just yet. He's never been challenged and I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself once he is (if he ever is .)

So what are we to do if he's never challenged? Obey pgardn's rules of constantly writing off his competition and never call him great? That's basically like saying he's too good to be considered great.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thank you.



So what are we to do if he's never challenged? Obey pgardn's rules of constantly writing off his competition and never call him great? That's basically like saying he's too good to be considered great.

I'm sorry, but I can't call a horse "great" until he's proven he's great. So shoot me... we disagree on Bernardini. Can we agree to disagree? If he wins the BCC, I'll jump on his bandwagon with the rest of you guys, but seriously... this is ludicrous to call him the GOAT.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So wait. Lava Man "really showed you something" in beating BROTHER DEREK at nine furlongs by 2 1/4 under urging, but Bernardini beating Wanderin Boy by 6 3/4 at ten panels in a gallop was nothing? Way to go.

lava has continued to run and win all year. a lot of people thought he might not win based on closer races earlier this year, and now going 10f while carrying 126 and giving weight. as scuds pointed out in his post yesterday, that might mean the difference. it didn't. was also bro dereks first loss at that track i believe.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

It is Bernardini's race to lose at this point, but I will admit that Lava Man is a very, very good horse as well. I have nothing but good to say about LM. He is my favorite horse running right now besides Bernie. However, I don't think that Lava Man is in the same league as Bernie. In fact, I don't think any horse can run with Bernie in the world right now at a mile and a quarter. It wouldn't surprise me if LM finished out the exacta in the BC Classic though. Bernie is so fast that he just blows by his opponents. IMO, Lava Man won't ever see him coming.