Bernardini IS

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Smarty Jones isn't even in the same league as Bernardini. Bernardini would crush Smarty Jones. Bernardini is a better mover, bigger, faster, better built, and more talented than Smarty Jones. This horse is the best horse since Spectacular Bid. If he wins the BC Classic, he will be #1 on my greatest of all time list. 3 year olds don't crush older horses like he did in the JCGC without even being hit with the whip. Wanderin Boy is no pushover. Invasor was all out to beat Wanderin Boy in the Pimlico Special and Bernardini ran by Wanderin Boy with utmost ease even though he let Wanderin Boy crawl through a 25 opening furlong. I don't need to see the horse run face to face with another horse. I know what he is. A horse that has the fire in his eyes like he does will win the battle. He will literally crush his opponent when they look him in the eye. He will turn them back and make them falter. Bernardini is one of the best moving horses that I have ever seen. In fact, he may bet the best. The competition is ducking the horse. They are afraid of him. Even Lava Man's connections said that Bernardini was scary. He is scary. There is no other way to put it. And he gets better with every race.

He probably won't be headed until he faces Discreet Cat in the Dubai World Cup next year. However, even Discreet Cat won't be a match for this horse at a mile and a quarter. The truth is that Bernardini may never get headed because he is just too good. And yes, I bank on both of them being in the Dubai World Cup if both remain healthy. I really don't think that Bernardini will retire next year.

Yeah, Smarty wasn't nearly as good as Bernardini, he only got hammered by two G1 winners through mind blowing fractions that left them in the dust only to have him run down by a length...

Bernardini fans are morphing UK Basketball fans, I admire and respect their program, because they are elite, but their fans are so misguided and over the top I can't stand them...

[Downthestretch55]

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/gal...Bernardini4BLa

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Yeah, Smarty wasn't nearly as good as Bernardini, he only got hammered by two G1 winners through mind blowing fractions that left them in the dust only to have him run down by a length...

Bernardini fans are morphing UK Basketball fans, I admire and respect their program, because they are elite, but their fans are so misguided and over the top I can't stand them...

You can't compare UK to Bernardini. He actually wins when it matters.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/gal...Bernardini4BLa

Thanks DTS. He is a beautiful, beautiful horse. I'm in complete awe of him. I've fallen head over heals for this horse. LOL. He is perfect in every racehorse aspect imaginable.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

You can't compare UK to Bernardini. He actually wins when it matters.

What are you, some fan of that team in Lousyville? <Grin>

UK MS 1977, UK PhD 1986, wife of UK professor. I lived through a couple of NCAA championships.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

get a life!

I have a life. Quite a good one actually. In fact, I was stressed out for awhile, but I finally became happy again over the past few days...

Originally Posted by todko

It was a decent performance. The mid fractions were solid but they were coming off some really slow initial fractions. And he didn't come home in anything riveting.

There's no way Bernardini would have beaten Ghostzapper in the BC Classic. No way. Or St. Liam, or Roses in May. He has an easy chance to do it compared with what other 3 year olds have faced in the Classic. He's been very lucky.

That might change soon depending on what Romans does with Bright One. Or the sheiks do with Discreet Cat.

Bright One ran 7th as the favorite in the Indiana Derby yesterday.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

That's a silly comment...

I am not a Bernardini hater, I actually made a good amount of money on him in the Preakness, it was tragic, but I cashed hard on him in the Preakness. He's the best horse in training, that I have no doubt, but he's had everything his own way and very little competition. That track was fast yesterday and the opening quarter still boggles my mind, but to say that he had fast mid quarters, well I sure hope so. I don't get the lavish amount of praise put on him for not doing a whole lot right now, he's a very good horse, but he's not a Ghostzapper or Mineshaft yet. Jerry Bailey even made the comment yesterday that it looked like he had to get after Bernardini to put away WB, I didn't notice that, but imagine if he has to do that 2-3 times in the Classic, no one can really say with certainty how he'll react, that's all that I am saying. If you put a large win bet on this horse in the BCC, you are taking a risk I don't think will be worth the odds, I'll use him in exotics and hope he runs out, not likely, but I wouldn't take that kind of large win bet risk on him, because he has not proven himself in that situation...

Wait, so because Jerry Bailey said it, it's true? You said yourself that you didn't notice it, but that's negated by Jerry Bailey saying it?

Let's take a look at the Equibase comment..

"BERNARDINI raced close up outside while in hand, was sent after pacesetter WANDERIN BOY midway on the second turn, collared that rival entering the stretch, quickly drew clear from that rival and galloped away under wraps."

Sounds like Javier had to work his ass off.

I'll take my own eyes and the Equibase people over anything Jerry Bailey says any day of the week.

If you want to say he beat nobody, that's fine. That's valid. But don't say he had to work hard to do it. That's just inaccurate.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Thanks DTS. He is a beautiful, beautiful horse. I'm in complete awe of him. I've fallen head over heals for this horse. LOL. He is perfect in every racehorse aspect imaginable.

KY Rose,
At times I have a difficult time trying to figure what's going on in some folks' heads.
Like, we wait, wait, wish and hope that one like this comes along.
Then they bash.
Just enjoy this one.
Berna's don't come along that often.
If they don't appreciate him, it's really not your or my problem.
Their bashing will keep them from seeing.
He's the real deal. Finally, after all this time.
DTS

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

KY Rose,
At times I have a difficult time trying to figure what's going on in some folks' heads.
Like, we wait, wait, wish and hope that one like this comes along.
Then they bash.
Just enjoy this one.
Berna's don't come along that often.
If they don't appreciate him, it's really not your or my problem.
Their bashing will keep them from seeing.
He's the real deal. Finally, after all this time.
DTS

Yep, he's the one that fans like you and I have been waiting for...

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wait, so because Jerry Bailey said it, it's true? You said yourself that you didn't notice it, but that's negated by Jerry Bailey saying it?

Let's take a look at the Equibase comment..

"BERNARDINI raced close up outside while in hand, was sent after pacesetter WANDERIN BOY midway on the second turn, collared that rival entering the stretch, quickly drew clear from that rival and galloped away under wraps."

Sounds like Javier had to work his ass off.

I'll take my own eyes and the Equibase people over anything Jerry Bailey says any day of the week.

If you want to say he beat nobody, that's fine. That's valid. But don't say he had to work hard to do it. That's just inaccurate.

And JC is quoted as saying that he had a ton of horse.......Prado is quoted as saying that Bernardini had him at any time. The only reason it looked like Bernardini (if indeed it looked it at all) was working is because Javier didn't ask him unti relatively late in the race (for him). He's riding Bernardini brilliantly - I love his quote about how he wanted to get his colt ready for the Classic, when there will be more pace. I prefer Bernardini running at a target - yesterday was a good race for him in that regard.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

KY Rose,
At times I have a difficult time trying to figure what's going on in some folks' heads.
Like, we wait, wait, wish and hope that one like this comes along.
Then they bash.
Just enjoy this one.
Berna's don't come along that often.
If they don't appreciate him, it's really not your or my problem.
Their bashing will keep them from seeing.
He's the real deal. Finally, after all this time.
DTS

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yep, he's the one that fans like you and I have been waiting for...

Offs. If the horse is what we've been waiting for for so long then why hasn't he been setting track and race records? It's not like he's had to deal with a 12 horse field and face traffic trouble. Yes he's a great horse but you two are acting like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There are still questions and they're going to be answered but this know-it-all attitude is getting borderline retarded. The way some people are going overboard about this horse the BCC might as well be cancelled. He's already won it!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Offs. If the horse is what we've been waiting for for so long then why hasn't he been setting track and race records? It's not like he's had to deal with a 12 horse field and face traffic trouble. Yes he's a great horse but you two are acting like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There are still questions and they're going to be answered but this know-it-all attitude is getting borderline retarded. The way some people are going overboard about this horse the BCC might as well be cancelled. He's already won it!

Pillow Poop,
We'll just have to wait and see then.
Retarded?
I must be missing something.
When your horse is ahead by, ummm ...how many lengths in the lane?
are you saying that he needs to be whipped to get the clock?
Humble you're not.
Appreciative neither.
Keep to your attitude and you'll miss the greatness.
Grind your sorry ax somewhere else.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Offs. If the horse is what we've been waiting for for so long then why hasn't he been setting track and race records? It's not like he's had to deal with a 12 horse field and face traffic trouble. Yes he's a great horse but you two are acting like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There are still questions and they're going to be answered but this know-it-all attitude is getting borderline retarded. The way some people are going overboard about this horse the BCC might as well be cancelled. He's already won it!

Well, his times are great, he is improving, and his best is yet to come. When a three year old that has been so dominate all year long goes out there and beats older horses like he did, then the horse is GREAT.

I expect to see the same results in the BC Classic.

And yes, he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. LOL.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pillow Poop,
We'll just have to wait and see then.
Retarded?
I must be missing something.
When your horse is ahead by, ummm ...how many lengths in the lane?
are you saying that he needs to be whipped to get the clock?
Humble you're not.
Appreciative neither.
Keep to your attitude and you'll miss the greatness.
Grind your sorry ax somewhere else.

Yoda, i'm not.
Is beatable, Bernardini.
the stretch, could have trouble down
down it, since he's so used to galloping
Have plenty of company down it, he could
If you think he will win easily, bet the farm
you're probably just a blowhard, Of course

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Well, his times are great, he is improving, and his best is yet to come. When a three year old that has been so dominate all year long goes out there and beats older horses like he did, then the horse is GREAT.

I expect to see the same results in the BC Classic.

And yes, he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. LOL.

He beat three horses. Wow.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He beat three horses. Wow.

He beat Wanderin Boy, who Invasor was all out to beat in the Pimlico Special. Bernardini ran by WB quite easily after he let WB set slow early fractions. Of course, the Pimlico Special wasn't quite as long as the JCGC.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He beat Wanderin Boy, who Invasor was all out to beat in the Pimlico Special. Bernardini ran by WB quite easily after he let WB set slow early fractions. Of course, the Pimlico Special wasn't quite as long as the JCGC.

Actually the second quarter was pretty brisk because he was feeling the pressure of a greater steed to his outside.

I just have questions about his ability to handle late pressure. He might not face it in the BCC but IF Lava Man ships and doesn't throw in a clunker, then you'll definitely see an epic battle between the two. I've been a doubter of LM but he really showed me something yesterday and he's got me excited about the BCC. It's not Bernardini's to lose now.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yoda, i'm not.
Is beatable, Bernardini.
the stretch, could have trouble down
down it, since he's so used to galloping
Have plenty of company down it, he could
If you think he will win easily, bet the farm
you're probably just a blowhard, Of course

Ahh Sith,
What was done to the farm by the storm troopers will not be forgotten.
Then came Jabba, Jabba, Jabba.
Shame it is what they did to Hans. Shame it is.
"Blowhard?" Evil side...best words you can find, yes?
Light sabers haven't come out yet.
Berna is a mighty one, deny all you will.

[Danzig]

when, if, bernardini wins the bcc, than i might compare him to the best of the last 30 years. but some of those who are on that list beat other great horses to get there! bernardini is no affirmed, since he has had no alydar to beat, the older horses he defeated saturday are not the same caliber as those that ap indy beat in the classic. heck, they aren't even of the calibre that henny beat yesterday! mr hughes beat the reigning bc sprint winner, among others, and on that ones 'home' track.

secretariat had sham, and then fort marcy, affirmed had his alydar, sunday silence his easy goer (and vice versa!)...a great horse, a true great, beats the best--it's why damascus' victory over buckpasser and dr fager is considered the race of the century. don't have the competition to beat, than you beat the clock.
gz had a lot of detractors til after the bcc-his first at that distance, and won in style over the best, and with the stakes record to boot.

henny had a heck of a race. so did lava man for that matter! i can imagine the scathing remarks had lava man met and defeated the type of field that bernardini met!!

lol
and now i'll be called a 'hater'. can't have any discussion about this horse without being put in box 'a' or box 'b'.