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Old 09-29-2006, 03:03 PM
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i would say it would be the cards IF they don't make it to the playoffs

That type of lead

The '04 Yanks and '78 Red Sox give each team's followers nightmares

but

if the cards blow this:

I personally think they will

Does anybody trust Jeff Weaver and the Cardinal bullpen tonight?
I think the lose 4 in a row to Milwaukee
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:11 PM
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i would say it would be the cards IF they don't make it to the playoffs

That type of lead

The '04 Yanks and '78 Red Sox give each team's followers nightmares

but

if the cards blow this:

I personally think they will

Does anybody trust Jeff Weaver and the Cardinal bullpen tonight?
I think the lose 4 in a row to Milwaukee
78 Sox didnt collapse as bad as you think. Yanks played like 700 ball the last few months. Thats not a collapse in my opinion. And they fought back to force a playoff.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:20 PM
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And it wasnt a 9.5 game lead collapse in 12 days either. Far from it.
WHat the Cardinals may do may go down as one of the all time season ending choke jobs. But lets give a lot of credit to the Astros who are playing out of their minds right now. They could have very easily folded their tent and started packing for golf.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:20 PM
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Gales that seaon of the 78 Sox is chronicled in a GREAT book called the Bronx Zoo by Yankee picther Sparky Lyle who just happened to be asked to chronicle that particular season before it began.
The Yankees played incredible baseball the second half, they had winning streaks like you wouldnt believe. The Sox didn't collapse as bad as legend would have it. The Yanks took the lead in September but the Sox fought back late to force a playoff. I just don't label that a collapse.
YOu ever see the classic Bills-Oliers game with the great comeback?
****, that had to be the best half of football anyone ever played in history. An allstar team wasn't gonna stop the bills in that one. They completed like every pass and gave up nothing on defense.
I guess I just have a different idea of what a collapse is. To me a collapse is when one team just does everything wrong, and teh other does nothing special. This "cardinal" collapse couldn't have happened without Houston going on insane run of baseball. You see what I mean? If the cards had played .200 ball while the Stros played .500 ball, well thats a collapse. But the Stros have been insane, when the hell was the last time they lost two in a row? August?
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:25 PM
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Back to the Norman collapse in the Masters, you really have to give lots of credit to Faldo as well. I think he ended up winning that by 3 or 4 strokes shooting a pretty ridiculously low round. Cant rememebr the number off the top of my head I think it was like a 66 or 67. Norman shot like a 74 or 75?
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:32 PM
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Back to the Norman collapse in the Masters, you really have to give lots of credit to Faldo as well. I think he ended up winning that by 3 or 4 strokes shooting a pretty ridiculously low round. Cant rememebr the number off the top of my head I think it was like a 66 or 67. Norman shot like a 74 or 75?
Yeah Tim thats correct. Im not sure on the figs exactly, but Faldo shot great.
Norman was hitting the ball into ponds and things though which made it easier for Faldo to play the way that he did. he didnthave to go for broke on each hole as he would have if Norman had even played 2 over the first nine holes. Norman just lost it out there.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:46 PM
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That was a great day for me. I went to OTB and put $300 to win on Angle of Pursuit who won easily at 7/1 odds. Then I came home and watched the Masters with my entire family. It was pretty awesome.

I just did some fact checking. Faldo shot a 67 and Norman a 78. Faldo won the tournament by 5 strokes after trailing by 6 strokes going into the final round.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:50 PM
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A apologize if you wanna keep this "baseball only", but could I add Greg Norman at the Masters as a 3rd option lol? That might be the biggest collapse in the history of sports...
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:27 PM
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The other big difference is that most people felt the winner of the Yankees-Sox series was going on to win the World Series. I don't think many people think the Cards will go on to win the World Series whether they collapse now or not. So what is really the difference if they hold on to win the division and then get swept first round of the playoffs? Does that make it less a choke?
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