4/3 (AQU): Carter, Wood (G1's); Bay Shore, Excelsior (G3's)

randallscott35 · #1 04-03-2010, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44

No mention of the Santos-esque choke on Awesome Act yet?

Agree, cost him 2nd money

randallscott35 · #2 04-03-2010, 05:40 PM

You want a better more recent example on wraps with 3yr olds and Pletch? Look at Bluegrass Cat's PPs....Wraps came on and whiff, gone.

NTamm1215 · #3 04-03-2010, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You want a better more recent example on wraps with 3yr olds and Pletch? Look at Bluegrass Cat's PPs....Wraps came on and whiff, gone.

So we should plan on a career-ending injury and then you can take credit for forecasting it?

NT

RockHardTen1985 · #4 04-03-2010, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So we should plan on a career-ending injury and then you can take credit for forecasting it?

NT

He cant help himself, clearly....

randallscott35 · #5 04-03-2010, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He cant help himself, clearly....

B/c I point things out? I wouldn't wish an injury on any horse.

randallscott35 · #6 04-03-2010, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So we should plan on a career-ending injury and then you can take credit for forecasting it?

NT

Not at all....Want another, first time Sun King ever wore wraps was for a money allowance at Toga. Saw him in the Paddock, ouchy mess, finished 4th and was gone....Again, who the trainer is and their style is what matters.

lemoncrush · #7 04-03-2010, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Agree, cost him 2nd money

He did the same thing to Americn Lion in the San Felipe. The guy's got to realize he's not riding on turf every race.

randallscott35 · #8 04-03-2010, 05:56 PM

Haskin in the winners circle with Pletch after the race...Early dapple check on Esken for the Derby!

blackthroatedwind · #9 04-03-2010, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Agree, cost him 2nd money

Awesome Act, as evidenced by the Gotham, has a short burst of speed, and the ride hardly cost him second money. Maybe the pace did....but more likely it was his distance limitations.....or relative lack of talent. Jackson Bend ran MUCH better than he did.

tector · #10 04-03-2010, 07:37 PM

Jackson Bend is a tough, honest little SOB. He could clean up in a Gr. II career.

the_fat_man · #11 04-03-2010, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Awesome Act, as evidenced by the Gotham, has a short burst of speed, and the ride hardly cost him second money. Maybe the pace did....but more likely it was his distance limitations.....or relative lack of talent. Jackson Bend ran MUCH better than he did.

The headon at CALRACING terminates before they hit the turn so it's hard to know for certain but it appears that AA was under heavy restraint almost the entire run down the backstretch, the only horse being restrained, and that JB had an inside run in the lane. Now, after witnessing any number of horses make sustained runs/hang on on the inside, I'd sort of hesitate before seeing anything in JB's race. Factor in the slow pace and he basically got a nice trip -- allowing that he was wide on the 1st turn, of course.

Maybe AA has distance limitations but I don't see where today's performance indicates this.

blackthroatedwind · #12 04-03-2010, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The headon at CALRACING terminates before they hit the turn so it's hard to know for certain but it appears that AA was under heavy restraint almost the entire run down the backstretch, the only horse being restrained, and that JB had an inside run in the lane. Now, after witnessing any number of horses make sustained runs/hang on on the inside, I'd sort of hesitate before seeing anything in JB's race. Factor in the slow pace and he basically got a nice trip -- allowing that he was wide on the 1st turn, of course.

Maybe AA has distance limitations but I don't see where today's performance indicates this.

I can't particularly argue with that, and the pace clearly did him in, but I just don't think someone should blame the ride. He has one run...which is why the Gotham ( with a fast pace pace ) set up well for him and today's race didn't.

You're right that today's race doesn't show distance limitations, and maybe I am projecting incorrectly, but horses with one quick burst like he has often aren't more effective the longer they go. However, given the likely pace scenerio in the Derby he could certainly be the one who is a distant second to Eskendereya ( or fill out the Eskendereya-Lookin at Lucky tri ).

Given Eskendereya stays sound, and doesn't get knocked over, this Derby is a foregone conclusion. It's a man among boys.

randallscott35 · #13 04-03-2010, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I can't particularly argue with that, and the pace clearly did him in, but I just don't think someone should blame the ride. He has one run...which is why the Gotham ( with a fast pace pace ) set up well for him and today's race didn't.

You're right that today's race doesn't show distance limitations, and maybe I am projecting incorrectly, but horses with one quick burst like he has often aren't more effective the longer they go. However, given the likely pace scenerio in the Derby he could certainly be the one who is a distant second to Eskendereya ( or fill out the Eskendereya-Lookin at Lucky tri ).

Given Eskendereya stays sound, and doesn't get knocked over, this Derby is a foregone conclusion. It's a man among boys.

Really? You think he's head and shoulders better? The only horse I thought that of was FuPeg and he needed a great trip to beat Aptitude and then got trounced in the Preakness. No such thing in a 20 horse field.

ateamstupid · #14 04-03-2010, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Really? You think he's head and shoulders better? The only horse I thought that of was FuPeg and he needed a great trip to beat Aptitude and then got trounced in the Preakness. No such thing in a 20 horse field.

Who's close to Eskendereya right now? The horse's tactical speed should keep him out of significant trouble. If he breaks OK, I don't think he loses.

philcski · #15 04-03-2010, 10:03 PM

Line of the day: Eskendereya- Egyptian for "I owe Fifth Third a couple billion dollars"

NTamm1215 · #16 04-03-2010, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Who's close to Eskendereya right now? The horse's tactical speed should keep him out of significant trouble. If he breaks OK, I don't think he loses.

I think you're exactly right. I wonder if he'll have trouble potentially being farther off the pace but I really don't think he will. As long as Johnny V avoids watching tape of Point Given I like his chances.

NT

randallscott35 · #17 04-03-2010, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Who's close to Eskendereya right now? The horse's tactical speed should keep him out of significant trouble. If he breaks OK, I don't think he loses.

3-1 for your troubles! Enjoy

RockHardTen1985 · #18 04-03-2010, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Awesome Act, as evidenced by the Gotham, has a short burst of speed, and the ride hardly cost him second money. Maybe the pace did....but more likely it was his distance limitations.....or relative lack of talent. Jackson Bend ran MUCH better than he did.

I disagree.
Awesome Act did have a bit of trouble at the start.

JJP · #19 04-03-2010, 07:50 PM

A decent amount of money has been burned by the runners out of the Gotham. The figure looked suspiciously high, although Leparoux rode Awesome Act like HE was the 3-5 favorite. Dutrow's horse ran decently in Stickney, but was crazily overbet. Supposedly the Rags had huge numbers for the Gotham runners. I hear they are still looking for Nacho Friend to finish the Sunland Derby from last Saturday.

philcski · #20 04-03-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP

A decent amount of money has been burned by the runners out of the Gotham. The figure looked suspiciously high, although Leparoux rode Awesome Act like HE was the 3-5 favorite. Dutrow's horse ran decently in Stickney, but was crazily overbet. Supposedly the Rags had huge numbers for the Gotham runners. I hear they are still looking for Nacho Friend to finish the Sunland Derby from last Saturday.

Interesting. TG's were about in line with what you'd expect with the race (Awesome Act got a 2, I think Yawanna Twist was a 4.)