What if???

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

Please--not this again---PRESS SAID THIS...

If you buy all the press says have done with it--I know I am .

And even it it were true-Jackson and Asmussen are big boys not to be coerced by the alleged second best horse " resuming " training..

I did this here already---redundancy is just that .

Neither Moss nor Shireffs were clear about this, but the press was ...

Finis ...

Those liars in the press. Making up quotes.

“It was very emotional when I retired her because I thought she absolutely did as much as any horse could do in their career,” Moss said of Zenyatta, who is unbeaten in 14 races.

Emphasis mine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/sp...7zenyatta.html

[the_fat_man]

This is what happens when the 3rd stringer in a barn beats the reigning HOY (and SPEED disciple darling). All the followers are left with is making a stink about whether Z was 'officially' retired or not. Who gives a ****? Z's caddy just dusted the HOY --- basically gutted her --- so much so that her connections have thrown in the towel. They don't want their FAST HOY to get roughed up any more. I can dig that. The 2 Z's in tandem would put such a beating on the FAST HOY that she'd never want to come out of her stall again.

Yeah, all the rest of this **** is peripheral --- the real issue is whether or not Z was 'officially' retired.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is what happens when the 3rd stringer in a barn beats the reigning HOY (and SPEED disciple darling). All the followers are left with is making a stink about whether Z was 'officially' retired or not. Who gives a ****? Z's caddy just dusted the HOY --- basically gutted her --- so much so that her connections have thrown in the towel. They don't want their FAST HOY to get roughed up any more. I can dig that. The 2 Z's in tandem would put such a beating on the FAST HOY that she'd never want to come out of her stall again.

Yeah, all the rest of this **** is peripheral --- the real issue is whether or not Z was 'officially' retired.

the loss is a loss , nothing more nothing less , she was probably at best 70 % of her max last sat

what is not right would be to rush her back through an accelerated training program just ot make a date with a horse that hasn't missed a day of training since oct

do me a favor steve , take 5 months off from the bike riding , when you are already say in august i'll come down to brooklyn and get you back on the bike so you can make the match race with vinny from queens by dec , i'll put you through double sessions in the brooklyn heat so that you can get into shape for the dec race , i'll work you so hard you'll be pucking up those cannolis , but don't worry come dec you'll be ready as i'm better than assmussen in getting someone to cycle off the bench

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

All the followers are left with is making a stink about whether Z was 'officially' retired or not.

The fake retirement thing is meaningless ... though Gales seems obsessed by it.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The fake retirement thing is meaningless ... though Gales seems obsessed by it.

Do you want me to take care of him?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Those liars in the press. Making up quotes.

“It was very emotional when I retired her because I thought she absolutely did as much as any horse could do in their career,” Moss said of Zenyatta, who is unbeaten in 14 races.

Emphasis mine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/sp...7zenyatta.html

It's all weird.

Jess Jackson says no to the Apple Blossom ... than he agrees to run .. but only if they run it 6 days later ... which pushed it to a Friday. Like that 6 extra days he was able to get was going to make a big differnce.

The dummy probably feels like he's been outmaneuvered once by Moss in November, once by Shirreffs cleverly catching him with a cranked up dirt horse at FG, and once by himself when he shrewdly bought himself an extra 6 days in order to agree to a race he ducks.... I think he's outmaneuvered a 4th time by not going because his horse would probably win.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's all weird.

Jess Jackson says no to the Apple Blossom ... than he agrees to run .. but only if they run it 6 days later ... which pushed it to a Friday. Like that 6 extra days he was able to get was going to make a big differnce.

The dummy probably feels like he's been outmaneuvered once by Moss in November, once by Shirreffs cleverly catching him with a cranked up dirt horse at FG, and once by himself when he shrewdly bought himself an extra 6 days in order to agree to a race he ducks.... I think he's outmaneuvered a 4th time by not going because his horse would probably win.

Yeah, Cella pulled a fast one on him by moving the race back a week. After he did that, Jackson should have waited a few weeks, then pulled out of the AB and said she was behind her training and wasn't going to be ready for the AB without sacrificing her form for most of the year. What the RA camp said on Sunday was just ridiculous.

Jackson can turn things back to his favor by again being aggressive with RA. Choose among the Met Mile, Foster, Salvator Mile, Iselin, Whitney, and Woodward for possible starts. She doesn't have to beat males each time, just not embarrass herself (Lady' Secret was 1 for 4 against males in 1986). If she does that, Moss is going to have do more than beat up on the usual suspects in SoCal.

[CSC]

Interesting how originally was a "What if?" thread has seemed to morph into a John Sheriff's tribute page. Seriously this is some funny $hit, trying to see the biggest and brightest minds on the board try to rationalize how a glorified horse like Zenyatta has gone 15 races without a loss is almost worth the price of a admission.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting how originally was a "What if?" thread has seemed to morph into a John Sheriff's tribute page. Seriously this is some funny $hit, trying to see the biggest and brightest minds on the board try to rationalize how a glorified horse like Zenatta has gone 15 races without a loss is almost worth the price of a admission.

I agree. Some rug burns on the knees.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Yeah, Jackson can turn things back to his favor by again being aggressive with RA. Choose among the Met Mile, Foster, Salvator Mile, Iselin, Whitney, and Woodward for possible starts. She doesn't have to beat males each time, just not embarrass herself (Lady' Secret was 1 for 4 against males in 1986). If she does that, Moss is going to have do more than beat up on the usual suspects in SoCal.

If she goes in the Met Mile, QR would crush her. But I would love to see her and Zenyatta in a race like the Stephen Foster or Whitney.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

If she goes in the Met Mile, QR would crush her. But I would love to see her and Zenyatta in a race like the Stephen Foster or Whitney.

She would run a clear clear cut second and maybe get close to him if he was not on his game, but I think he would be way to much at 9f.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

If she goes in the Met Mile, QR would crush her. But I would love to see her and Zenyatta in a race like the Stephen Foster or Whitney.

If all three were going to face one another late spring or early summer, I think the best race would be the now-9F Suburban. Quality Road would have ample time from a scheduled appointment in the Met Mile,and I'm sure the connections of the females could find races from a timing perspective that makes sense. The race could highlight the July 4th weekend of racing. With the Breeders' Cup at Churchill this fall, the Foster is a less appealing option, IMO.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If all three were going to face one another late spring or early summer, I think the best race would be the now-9F Suburban. Quality Road would have ample time from a scheduled appointment in the Met Mile,and I'm sure the connections of the females could find races from a timing perspective that makes sense. The race could highlight the July 4th weekend of racing. With the Breeders' Cup at Churchill this fall, the Foster is a less appealing option, IMO.

I think the Whitney is the spot that we see them all.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think the Whitney is the spot that we see them all.

I don't know. I think the one-turn 9F would be more to the liking of the connections of RA and QR, and the big sweeping turns at Belmont would probably appeal more to Zenyatta's connections.