10/24 (LRL): $300,000 Frank J. De Francis Memorial Dash (G1)

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you keep playing him at those odds against good horses, I agree. When he should be 8/5 and instead he's 4/5, you'll end up on the short end. But against fields like today, where he should be 1/2, you'll end up ahead if he keeps going off at 4/5.

Agree 100% with your logic, just not this particular case.

[Indian Charlie]

I have a theory as to why Godolphin horses are suddenly running how they are expected to run.

That numbnut that's listed as trainer, Big Ben Suroor, he's actually been based in Europe since Summer, so someone else is doing the hands on training this year.

[hockey2315]

Pretty sure he has always been based abroad. . . and Rick Metee has been their North American trainer.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Pretty sure he has always been based abroad. . . and Rick Metee has been their North American trainer.

Yeah, I wasn't too sure about this. Hence it being just a theory.

I know he would be based elsewhere during the winter months, but wasn't sure if he came here during peak racing season.

He always seemed to be around though, so thought that perhaps he was here.

If you have ever had the pleasure of hearing him talk, you'd be able to see how I came up with my theory.

[hockey2315]

I've talked to him before. I know what you mean.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I've talked to him before. I know what you mean.

Wow. I'm so sorry for you.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I have a theory as to why Godolphin horses are suddenly running how they are expected to run.

That numbnut that's listed as trainer, Big Ben Suroor, he's actually been based in Europe since Summer, so someone else is doing the hands on training this year.

Facepalm.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Facepalm.

Yeah, I admit it's thin, but it's the only thing I can think of. That or meds.

What's your theory Savantore?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Stats for horses who've run here in bin Suroor's name....

* 5 year span from '04 to '08: 29.3% wins ($1.82 ROI)

* 2009: 30.8% wins ($1.75 ROI)


The win percentage has raised very slightly and the ROI has been shaved slightly.

Much ado about nothing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stats for horses who've run here in bin Suroor's name....

* 5 year span from '04 to '08: 29.3% wins ($1.82 ROI)

* 2009: 30.8% wins ($1.75 ROI)


The win percentage has raised very slightly and the ROI has been shaved slightly.

Much ado about nothing.

Well, the Godolphin horses were struggling mightily for the previous 1-2 years, or so.

And that they ran under his name is completely besides the point. Was he the hands on dude running things the last five years, or were there other people training for him while he was away?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Nothings changed.

The only difference is that they've been a fair bit stronger in the Graded Stakes than in the past - and a fair bit weaker in the lesser races than in the recent past.

Being that you don't bet anymore - you probably haven't been paying enough attention to alw races and minor stakes to see it.