Any horses/win bets in this year's BC

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Isn't Zensational similar to Henny Hughes? Henny was viewed as a very likely winner in his BC Sprint, and it took exactly the time it took for the latch to spring for his race to be over.

I think this horse is better than HH. But it's hard to tell how good he really is because when I watch his races, I'm always left thinking that he didn't win 'cleanly' and that he'd have won much easier and by a wider margin with a cleaner trip. Even his last race, where he changed leads and stayed righty the entire stretch, he was drifting periodically on the backstretch and switching leads early. His footwork seems to be getting better, however. Though, Espinoza is definitely NOT the jock I'd want up on him. Doubtful this horse is able to stay straight on the backstretch in a large field which could compromise his chances.

I don't know who else is pointed for the Sprint but if there's some more pace in the race, and they decide to go with Z, rather than rate him just off it, I don't see why Noble Court wouldn't have as good a chance as any of the others. (Assuming he's going, of course.)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I think this horse is better than HH. But it's hard to tell how good he really is because when I watch his races, I'm always left thinking that he didn't win 'cleanly' and that he'd have won much easier and by a wider margin with a cleaner trip. Even his last race, where he changed leads and stayed righty the entire stretch, he was drifting periodically on the backstretch and switching leads early. His footwork seems to be getting better, however. Though, Espinoza is definitely NOT the jock I'd want up on him. Doubtful this horse is able to stay straight on the backstretch in a large field which could compromise his chances.

I don't know who else is pointed for the Sprint but if there's some more pace in the race, and they decide to go with Z, rather than rate him just off it, I don't see why Noble Court wouldn't have as good a chance as any of the others. (Assuming he's going, of course.)

I told someone earlier I thought Z was better "faster" then LITF and HH and the person told me I was crazy.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I told someone earlier I thought Z was better "faster" then LITF and HH and the person told me I was crazy.

He's never run a figure close to either. Not one.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He's never run a figure close to either. Not one.

I think your confused... This is also the synthetic era now, and Z is a freak on it. I think Zensationals top beyer is a 111... I dont remember LITF running anything that high.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think your confused... This is also the synthetic era now, and Z is a freak on it. I think Zensationals top beyer is a 111... I dont remember LITF running anything that high.

Except for that 116, if I recall. And that 109 as a 2-year old.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Except for that 116, if I recall. And that 109 as a 2-year old.

Your probablly right, I said I dont remember and Im not paying for his pp's on drf. Im trying to find them on formulator but its not working.

[Gander]

LITF was much faster (to date) than Zensational but then again, the Zen Master has yest to be in a race that forces his hand. So you never know, he may have one in him that could rival a 115 like number. I think XTra Heat was much faster too. I was never a big Henny Hughes fan.

The thing that Zensational has going for him is the surface, and lack of significant high quality challengers that have shown an ability to run well on this crap. Henny Hughes was facing top flight dirt sprinters on a dirt track. Fatal Bullet looks like the other synthetics lover, but I think it kind of hurts both of their chances given their styles of running are exactly the same. I wasnt that impressed with Fatal Bullet's race on Friday either. I would use Zensational at 6/5 before I used Fatal Bullet at 3/1.

I will either be taking a shot against him or just passing the race.

How about Kodiak Kowboy and his chances? Perfect running style for the crap, and I believe he had a few races on it early in his career, maybe at Keeneland?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

LITF was much faster (to date) than Zensational but then again, the Zen Master has yest to be in a race that forces his hand. So you never know, he may have one in him that could rival a 115 like number. I think XTra Heat was much faster too. I was never a big Henny Hughes fan.

The thing that Zensational has going for him is the surface, and lack of significant high quality challengers that have shown an ability to run well on this crap. Henny Hughes was facing top flight dirt sprinters on a dirt track. Fatal Bullet looks like the other synthetics lover, but I think it kind of hurts both of their chances given their styles of running are exactly the same. I wasnt that impressed with Fatal Bullet's race on Friday either. I would use Zensational at 6/5 before I used Fatal Bullet at 3/1.

I will either be taking a shot against him or just passing the race.

How about Kodiak Kowboy and his chances? Perfect running style for the crap, and I believe he had a few races on it early in his career, maybe at Keeneland?

Beyer wise, I think Zensationals top is a 111 and hes been in between 104-111... the key IMO is he's so lightly raced, how does he not stilll have room to improve... If someone could post LITF/HH pp's it would be appreciated.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Except for that 116, if I recall. And that 109 as a 2-year old.

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/lostinthefog.pdf

http://www.drf.com/bc/2009/pps/Zensational.pdf

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/lostinthefog.pdf

http://www.drf.com/bc/2009/pps/Zensational.pdf

Thanks for the PPS.

So at Bay Meadows and Calder LITF ran 2 beyers higher then Z's top. I think Z is better.
Zensational has won 3 Grade 1's, LITF 1.
I will take that anyday.