Rampillion!!!!!!

[cabvmd]

Now Freddy,

Even the fastest arabian does not look like a TB when running. When TBs all are running together in a pack (ie horses of equal talent being rated by the riders) you are not able to decern how fast they are going. The track post the split times, then you know how fast they are going.

I have watched maybe 10,000 races and when the horses are together all trying for position, that is the fun part to watch. When there are a couple of horses close together comming to the finish and everyone is yelling for their horse, to me time kind of speeds up with the excitment factor. It is all in someones perception I suppose.

That is my enjoyment of the game. Almost all of the races I have ever watched I have not wagered on because as an offical, I am not allowed. The enjoyment of competition is the same whether or not I have a wager going.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cabvmd

Now Freddy,

Even the fastest arabian does not look like a TB when running. When TBs all are running together in a pack (ie horses of equal talent being rated by the riders) you are not able to decern how fast they are going. The track post the split times, then you know how fast they are going.

I have watched maybe 10,000 races and when the horses are together all trying for position, that is the fun part to watch. When there are a couple of horses close together comming to the finish and everyone is yelling for their horse, to me time kind of speeds up with the excitment factor. It is all in someones perception I suppose.

That is my enjoyment of the game. Almost all of the races I have ever watched I have not wagered on because as an offical, I am not allowed. The enjoyment of competition is the same whether or not I have a wager going.

Go check out the field "the pill" trashed at Delaware Park the other day...I am guessing the 7 horse and the 9 from the race are either deceased, I am still not sure they were actually alive when they loaded in the gate but I will take the vets word for it, or they now live in Lancaster county pulling a plow (slowly). If the prospect of those two in a match race doesn't get your heart pounding nothing will.. I suspect neither is capable of running 6f's in 1.16ish

On a serious note I completely get your point and agree even the slowest hags can be entertaining for a 1/16th of a mile I guess

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Go check out the field "the pill" trashed at Delaware Park the other day...I am guessing the 7 horse and the 9 from the race are either deceased, I am still not sure they were actually alive when they loaded in the gate but I will take the vets word for it, or they now live in Lancaster county pulling a plow (slowly). If the prospect of those two in a match race doesn't get your heart pounding nothing will.. I suspect neither is capable of running 6f's in 1.16ish

On a serious note I completely get your point and agree even the slowest hags can be entertaining for a 1/16th of a mile I guess

Bro...give it a break. Your act is getting tired. We get it, you don't have any slow horses...you have a barn full of horses who can run a hole through the wind.

[pointman]

Freddy, I just don't get your arguments, but before I get there, your spelling is absolutely killing me!

Quiet is not quite. There refers to a a place or a point in action or time, we are going to be there. Their refers to a person in the possessive, their rights. They're refers to a contraction of the words they are, they're going to be at the party.

Casinos and gambling is spreading because of the Indians and their federal rights since the US has sh*t on them for a long period of time. States are more open to the idea of casinos since their presence has been forced upon them. Casinos are immensely profitable (except if they are run by Donald Trump, the only known bookie to lose money) and due to the immense profits they make, States have no problem taking a cut and using the money elsewhere. Since Casinos are cutting into the action and customers that racetracks used to have exclusively locally, gambling, a concession to the racetracks is that the Casinos provide money to them for taking a cut of their action.

Fields are not small because there are too many tracks, but because of the tracks loss in the cut of the action, people are not owning, breeding and racing as many horses because the purses have gone down and don't make it worthwhile. Increased purses mean increased incentive to breed, own and run horses which will increase fields and jobs in the long run. It seems pretty simple to me.

There will be no casino at Monmouth or any New Jersey racetrack anytime soon due to the Casino lobby, headed by Trump, who pour money into trying everything they can to prevent competition. In fact, the AC lobby was so strong that they prevented passage of Casinos at NY tracks by filling the pockets of NY Politicians for years until Indian Casinos began popping up in New York and Connecticut which ultimately hurt the racetracks and began to place the NY tracks in peril.

I fail to see how tearing down racetracks, taking away people's livelihoods and making more urban areas even more urban while developers get rich helps the community. It generally does nothing more than bring more traffic to areas that already have too much traffic and additional commerical space which often isn't even needed. You keep saying the sport needs other solutions, but I don't see any viable ones that you have proposed.

Does it really matter whether horses in a race are fast or slow? Sure we all love the fastest horses, horses come slow, medium, fast and very fast. Does it matter if a race is $7,500 claimers or a $75,000 stake if there is a field of horses that are competitive to each other whether they're fast or slow? Or does it just matter if the field is relatively competitive giving a puzzle that you can solve and make a good score at a price? And competitive so owners can race their horses for decent purses and make enough money to justify ownership, trainers and grooms can make enough money to make a living. Some of my best hits have been in races that apparently you think shouldn't even exist.

Not every racetrack can run top horses, hey, there is a minor league in baseball you know, should they start tearing down those stadiums because they only draw 1,000 fans and clear the way for housing, commericial space and parks?

Now I have to get back to work, only an hour left!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by pointman

Freddy, I just don't get your arguments, but before I get there, your spelling is absolutely killing me!

Quiet is not quite. There refers to a a place or a point in action or time, we are going to be there. Their refers to a person in the possessive, their rights. They're refers to a contraction of the words they are, they're going to be at the party.

Casinos and gambling is spreading because of the Indians and their federal rights since the US has sh*t on them for a long period of time. States are more open to the idea of casinos since their presence has been forced upon them. Casinos are immensely profitable (except if they are run by Donald Trump, the only known bookie to lose money) and due to the immense profits they make, States have no problem taking a cut and using the money elsewhere. Since Casinos are cutting into the action and customers that racetracks used to have exclusively locally, gambling, a concession to the racetracks is that the Casinos provide money to them for taking a cut of their action.

Fields are not small because there are too many tracks, but because of the tracks loss in the cut of the action, people are not owning, breeding and racing as many horses because the purses have gone down and don't make it worthwhile. Increased purses mean increased incentive to breed, own and run horses which will increase fields and jobs in the long run. It seems pretty simple to me.

There will be no casino at Monmouth or any New Jersey racetrack anytime soon due to the Casino lobby, headed by Trump, who pour money into trying everything they can to prevent competition. In fact, the AC lobby was so strong that they prevented passage of Casinos at NY tracks by filling the pockets of NY Politicians for years until Indian Casinos began popping up in New York and Connecticut which ultimately hurt the racetracks and began to place the NY tracks in peril.

I fail to see how tearing down racetracks, taking away people's livelihoods and making more urban areas even more urban while developers get rich helps the community. It generally does nothing more than bring more traffic to areas that already have too much traffic and additional commerical space which often isn't even needed. You keep saying the sport needs other solutions, but I don't see any viable ones that you have proposed.

Does it really matter whether horses in a race are fast or slow? Sure we all love the fastest horses, horses come slow, medium, fast and very fast. Does it matter if a race is $7,500 claimers or a $75,000 stake if there is a field of horses that are competitive to each other whether they're fast or slow? Or does it just matter if the field is relatively competitive giving a puzzle that you can solve and make a good score at a price? And competitive so owners can race their horses for decent purses and make enough money to justify ownership, trainers and grooms can make enough money to make a living. Some of my best hits have been in races that apparently you think shouldn't even exist.

Not every racetrack can run top horses, hey, there is a minor league in baseball you know, should they start tearing down those stadiums because they only draw 1,000 fans and clear the way for housing, commericial space and parks?

Now I have to get back to work, only an hour left!

I can't spell have diction issues and am basically illiterate. sorry

If a business can not thrive without subsides and isn' vital (farming) why expand it. Why not consolidate it?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I can't spell have diction issues and am basically illiterate. sorry

If a business can not thrive without subsides and isn' vital (farming) why expand it. Why not consolidate it?

You obviously had spell check on your presses.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I can't spell have diction issues and am basically illiterate. sorry

If a business can not thrive without subsides and isn' vital (farming) why expand it. Why not consolidate it?

Start with the Breeders and go from the bottom up...How can you expect the last bastions to consolidate when there are 35,000 freaking yearlings born, bought and unfortunately raced every year? You know 90% of the "connections" of these crappy horses are grinding it out so if the horses are supplied/bred for/to them, why shouldn't they have a place to run? Ironically, I agree in principal with most of what you say, but think you are attacking the wrong end.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Start with the Breeders and go from the bottom up...How can you expect the last bastions to consolidate when there are 35,000 freaking yearlings born, bought and unfortunately raced every year? You know 90% of the "connections" of these crappy horses are grinding it out so if the horses are supplied/bred for/to them, why shouldn't they have a place to run? Ironically, I agree in principal with most of what you say, but think you are attacking the wrong end.

There is enough blame and nit-picking to go around. Though I guess most of it starts at the "top"; without Lane's End and the other "stables" pushing their stallions every 2 minutes to breed more "product" people would have less of an urge to get into breeding losing horses.