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06-26-2009, 08:43 AM
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The fundamental issue here is whether you accept that the tithe money from alternate gaming that goes to racing interests is justifiable or not. Many accept that racing is the grandfather and standard-setter for gambling in this country for more than a century. As such, and as an agri-business with renewable and sustainable resources that give it an edge on the casino industry, it is entitled to 'wet its' beak' off the other modern gaming options. You don't agree based seemingly on moral principals and a somewhat strange view point based on the quality of the competition the revenue bolsters. Fine. I don't think casino games like Acey Duecy, Pagow Poker, Wheel of Fortune or the slots themselves and scratch off Lottery tickets constitute 'quality competition' or 'entertainment value' myself, but I don't begrudge those that partake.
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06-26-2009, 09:48 AM
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I will take the money if I can make it. I am not a fool if I can earn I will Steve. I have never repped I wouldn't. The revenue is misdirected in fact misdirected is a horrible choice of words it is directionless. There is no plan, accept how to give the money away. There isn't a methodology to invest it into the industry. Use it or lose it dump it into the purses and into breeders awards and tell the wolves to come and get it. Then when all the lambs are slaughtered and dead there is nothing left to eat. Its funny all the slot arguments are based on entitlement. Either we are entitled because they have them or we are entitled because you have other gambling. Nobody says the industry can be viable if we invest with our state government correctly to build a strong product.. Nope folks want there pound of flesh they want it now they want to eat it and then when they are hungry again they want more. They don't want to plow the fields. water the soil, fertilize the land, and wait for the harvest..Nope they just gotta have those fast bucks. Everybody is so worried about Ky not having a few meets and how adversely effected the breeders and other jobs in the industry will exist. I leave in Central Jersey the once hot bed of Standard bred racing..Lots of farms lots of jobs and lots of horses are gone,, they went to were the better money was from slots because the teet money from AC is drying up. I guess that is what happens when the proliteration of too much gambling hits an industry that subsidizes it..And you want this to continue so in 5 years KY is in the same mess that others have fallen into.. How about biting the bullet.Less racing date less meets less jobs less trainers less owners and please fewer horses. Then you get to a point were strong owners come in to the land scape. Either partnerships like DT were 500 people invest 1000 buck each to buy 2 to 4 well bred horses from stallions who raced till they were 4 and were sound. Were you have allocated 36k a year for trainer expense and all recognize the risks in advance. Or owners that like in 1934 have more then enough money to fund there HOBBY correctly. How about then the product might attract genuine interst becase the horses that are running need to be fast and sound because there are limited venues and dates. The weak wil fail the strong will survive the industry will become more piopular with a stronger centralized fan base. And perhaps betting the sport will become entertaining an popular again? BTW did KY not having slots help handle decline 1 billion last year.. I suggest if handle goes up you don't have to worry about other industry supporting yours. Worry about the friggin handle and the industry will prosper in due time. Amazing you spent endless hours on slots and why EVERYBODY needs them. And in one fleeting minute all those babies crying for their bottle could have been silienced if they explored the answer to increasing the handle.
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06-26-2009, 09:56 AM
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freddy - what about yonkers, tell me that slots are not helping there and that they aren't going to help in the future
yonkers is now the most profitable casino in the state of ny it's working freddymo , it's working
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06-26-2009, 11:56 AM
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06-26-2009, 12:02 PM
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you points are well taken , from my standpoint though , what looked like a facility that was going to go under has seen a dramatic turnaround. granted all the folks are not in love with the new slots players that are now in town hanging around , but, the metro area has a population that can keep them coming in for years to come in my opinion. the size of the faciltiy will eventually allow them to add a hotel and more restaurants, perhap card games will be coming next. there is no question that AC is hurting , the fringe/marginal player is not going there when yonkers is right in their backyard.
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06-26-2009, 12:06 PM
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So when Aqueduct gets slots or VLT's Yonkers isn't going to be hurt? After Aqueduct it will be Monmouth or some casino in Long Island or maybe a bigger Casino at Monticello. Yonkers will build a bunch of crap to accomodate the slot folks and by then there will be more slots and that stuff will turn to crap along with horses
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06-26-2009, 12:16 PM
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i hear your arguement , but , the rooney must have a grand plan for all of it , they are smart business people and have been for a long time that being said , the majority of the yonkers slots players are coming from the bronx and westchester...i don't think that there is a high % of the people coming in from LI , queens, brooklyn or manhattan i think that NYRA can usr the big a or belmont and draw from people in queens ctny , king's ctny and nassau ctny without taking people away from yonkers to be be fair on your points a lot of waht you say is correct , a lot of the other venues across the country simply don't have 10mm potential customers within 40 miles that yonkers and nyra have a case in point , last oct i was at a wedding up in monticello , we went to the track the night before and it was a semi -ghost town , now granted the horses were not runnig that night , but , it was one of the most empty casinos i have ever been in .....that part of NY doesn't have 10mm people within 40 miles an it showed
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06-26-2009, 12:17 PM
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A insider's view THE HORSE IS THE KEY
Not all horses are world beaters. When horses race in company were they belong, who cares how fast they go? SPEED KILLS! When they are evenly matched and there are three or four horses close together at the finish to make for the excitement of competition, that is what makes for the fun of the sport.
As an examining veterinarian with 23 years experience on the race track ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE MIND YOU, as a practicing attending veterinarian and a state veterinarian, slower horses are the most sound, they do not go beyond their body's capacity and they LAST...... filling the race cards on the weekly basis. I have adopted an old retired horse that raced until he was 10 years old and made 80 starts and $215,000. Broke his maiden at first asking and ran through his allowances and minor stakes. When he was slowed down by a bowed tendon and was in claiming races, he was claimed 6 or 7 times, twice by Derek Ryan. He made money for every one that had him. He took care of himself and is sound. He finished in the money >30% of his starts. with exacta and trifecta betting he was earning his keep and money for the track. It is the HORSE that is the key to the whole thing. We need to promote the horse as an individual. I am a board member of RUBEA (Rutgers University Board of Equine Advancement) We have a very good Equine Science Center that is doing cutting edge research at the Agricultural Experiment Station on the Cook Campus of the university. The center uses its resources to promote the horse, then the horse industry. Healthy horses make for a strong industry. When I used to get the Blood Horse years ago and all the volumes filled boxes in my attic, I decide to clean out. I only saved 2 issues, the one that recorded the passing of Secretariat and the one with the cover "Will Simulcasting Save Racing" the author was of the opinion, NO it will not. It helped for a while, but it hurt small local tracks. When the Breeders Cup came along, I was working for Drs Allen and Reed, both with decades of work on the race track. They were not of the opinion that he BC was the savior either. Slots will help initially, but there are ways to make racing "special" again. Treat the people that come to the track with more respect and courtesy, team work with track management and horsemen to promote interest in individual HORSES even if they are not "world beaters". I started getting the Blood Horse again and I read the breeding and health news the most. We need durable horses and use proper nutrition and training to keep horses around longer. Do not worry, there will always be super stars that come along and be great, no matter who is training them. Great horses and people many times come from ordinary parents. Cathy Ann Ball, VMD, MS
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06-26-2009, 12:27 PM
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Freddy, everything has to start somewhere and it usually takes one person to start things.
With that in mind, I think you ought to put your foot down and not run your horses for purses supported by slots money. You have a very valid point about the horses at Delpark on Tues - even though I think you picked the wrong thread to voice your opinion - but to rail against those horses, and then turn around and to do the same thing with your horse would make you...... oh, what's the word I'm looking for.......um,..... a hypocrite!!!! Start the movement Freddy!! Set the example!! Don't run that $6k pig you've got in the barn for slots-fueled purse money. Show the tracks you simply won't stoop to the level of cashing the winner's share of a $44k purse. Be the one that stands up for what you think is right and find that $8k purse that's unsupported by slots money. A real man acts - a weak one follows the flock. I know you'll do what is right!!!!
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06-26-2009, 02:54 PM
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Of course I made good points about what is wrong with racing. And again I never had issue with "the pill" running at Delaware and was most happy she won in such fine form. I never was disrespectfully to the stable or there decision to run or more importantly the fine effort "the pill" gave of herself.
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06-26-2009, 03:46 PM
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Your horse needs to run at River Downs. Support a track that probably NEEDS your horse to make a race go so that they can card enough races to give them a chance to earn the money they need to fund purses and survive.
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