Before we leave for Baltimore, another look at derby trips...

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by philcski

Perhaps you are discounting (or missing?) Join in the Dance's mugging of MTB and Papa Clem at the start.

Yea, I'm discounting that. Papa Clem easily burst through that contact and moved up behind Regal Ransom and Join In the Dance. He didn't catch any negative effects and got exactly where he wanted to be.

MTB - some would say that had MTB not had the contact early from JITD, Borel may have had him closer - so if you believe that to be true, the contact definitely helped MTB. It certainly didn't appear to injure him, and if Borel's plan was to take back as deep as he did, it didn't hamper that plan in any real way.

Originally Posted by philcski

Maybe you are discounting Musket Man's (and to a lesser extent, POTN's) run on the worst part of the track?

There could be something to this depending on how different you think different parts of the track may have been playing. I happen to think a lot of the rail bias stuff has been much overblown.

There may have been a significant difference between the rail and outer paths, but a lot of the debate to champion that bias has not been logical. The more vocal suggestions of the bias include fallacies such as Desormeaux's middle move shooting up the rail on Hold Me Back was somehow evidence of an inside bias, or that Borel's Deep Closing Rail Run with Mine That Bird was somehow evidence of an inside bias.

I think with Musket Man or POTN if you want to credit them a little vs MTB it might make a little sense(although the purpose is probably futile because MTB was likely a 1-hit "perfect storm"), but comparing say Musket Man to Papa Clem isn't going to be that fruitful. If you think one should get a little more credit by all means...

Originally Posted by philcski

Baby boi's chart doesn't though. He had an extremely clean trip, apparently.

I have not looked at the chart yet, only the headon blimp and pan replays , babe