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Old 05-06-2009, 06:02 PM
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I feel for Wiggins and Borel, a huge career and financial hit for them if they lose her.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:03 PM
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I feel for Wiggins and Borel, a huge career and financial hit for them if they lose her.
On TVG right now
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I feel for Wiggins and Borel, a huge career and financial hit for them if they lose her.

You would have to think that Wiggins is making out in this deal too...


and Borel could keep the mount we dont know that?
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:12 PM
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I think the Preakness would be a better race for her than the Belmont.
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can anybody give me a recap about what wiggins said on TVG?
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:15 PM
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can anybody give me a recap about what wiggins said on TVG?
It was Jess Jackson, non-committal on most stuff but said that he is not against running her as a four year old, didn't say when he next start was except that the Acorn is what her current goal is, but was even non-commital on the trainer, wihch I thought was interesting, because i would think it is 1/200 that Assface gets her
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It was Jess Jackson, non-committal on most stuff but said that he is not against running her as a four year old, didn't say when he next start was except that the Acorn is what her current goal is, but was even non-commital on the trainer, wihch I thought was interesting, because i would think it is 1/200 that Assface gets her

that would be pretty cool if he doesnt go to Assface.

There is absolutely no reason not to run her as a four year old unless she isnt sound of course.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:20 PM
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IF she goes, she'll make the Preakness 100x more interesting than it currently is.
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Will Calvin still ride her?
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:17 PM
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You would have to think that Wiggins is making out in this deal too...
and Borel could keep the mount we dont know that?
I don't know about assuming Wiggins being taken care of by current (or future) owners. Jerry Brown of Thorograph posted publically on his site that he currently has a lawsuit pending against Rachel's co-owner Lauffer for not paying the fees after they hired him to find her for them for purchase. That obviously didn't encumber the current sale.

Rachel's owners are not any more impressive to me than her new connections.
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I don't know about assuming Wiggins being taken care of by current (or future) owners. Jerry Brown of Thorograph posted publically on his site that he currently has a lawsuit pending against Rachel's ownership interest for not paying the fees after they hired him to find her for them for purchase. That obviously didn't encumber the current sale.

Rachel's owners are not any more impressive to me than her new connections.
You need to re-word this, it is against ONE of the owners. From all accounts, Morrison and Wiggins have a long standing relationship and a good one at that.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:24 PM
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You need to re-word this, it is against ONE of the owners. From all accounts, Morrison and Wiggins have a long standing relationship and a good one at that.
You're right, it's against Lauffer. Done.
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I don't know about assuming Wiggins being taken care of by current (or future) owners. Jerry Brown of Thorograph posted publically on his site that he currently has a lawsuit pending against Rachel's ownership interest for not paying the fees after they hired him to find her for them for purchase. That obviously didn't encumber the current sale.

Rachel's owners are not any more impressive to me than her new connections.

you always look at things as glass half empty dont you??

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the owners, and I bet the trainer will be a-o-k also.

It would be stupid to replace Borel on this horse, i doubt it happens unless its Borels choice.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:30 PM
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you always look at things as glass half empty dont you??

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the owners, and I bet the trainer will be a-o-k also.

It would be stupid to replace Borel on this horse, i doubt it happens unless its Borels choice.
LOL - no, I'm alot more optimistic and tolerant than many here. But jerks are jerks - having alot of money or making a good sale or having good luck doesn't change their spots.

I doubt the current owners made a deal to take care of Wiggins. I hope I'm wrong. Like you say, it'd be silly to mess with success, we don't know if Wiggins and Borel will be out yet - except Jackson has already hemmed and hawed and avoided answering the question. So they are not "in".
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LOL - no, I'm alot more optimistic and tolerant than many here. But jerks are jerks - having alot of money or making a good sale or having good luck doesn't change their spots.

I doubt the current owners made a deal to take care of Wiggins. I hope I'm wrong. Like you say, it'd be silly to mess with success, we don't know if Wiggins and Borel will be out yet - except Jackson has already hemmed and hawed and avoided answering the question. So they are not "in".
Chuck can probably fill us in on what the typical trainer cut is on a sale like this. I thought it was 5% or so.
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Borel just won the Derby and Oaks, is on the cover of Sports Illustrated and pocketed over $200,000 over the weekend. Poor guy...
While I see what your saying, if Borel got pulled for her just because of a change in ownership, it would be so wrong on so many levels.
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If Wiggins gets $250,000 out of the deal he's making out like a bandit...and chances are he'll get much more than that.
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If Wiggins gets $250,000 out of the deal he's making out like a bandit...and chances are he'll get much more than that.
Trainer typically gets 10% of sale price - at least that's been my experience.
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Borel just won the Derby and Oaks, is on the cover of Sports Illustrated and pocketed over $200,000 over the weekend. Poor guy...
Guess you don't appreciate her future winnings potential on the racetrack as I do.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:23 PM
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Key word there is potential. She could get hurt tomorrow and never run again, you know how quickly things change. Hard for me to feel too bad for the guy considering the kind of run he's on.

its kind of funny... we dont even know if Borel would be replaced and we're already supposed to feel bad for him.

I'm sure he is even happy for the owners right now.
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