Mind that Bird last race before the derby

gales0678 · #1 05-05-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I want to punch myself in the nads for continuing to post on this thread, but I'm not talking about figures or anything else, I am just discussing the insanity that was Mine that Bird's closing speed on Saturday.

well what can you attribute it to? surely it has to be something? it just can't be one of those unexplained events

MaTH716 · #2 05-05-2009, 02:40 PM

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well what can you attribute it to? surely it has to be something? it just can't be one of those unexplained events

15 horses didn't handle the mud. He handled it better than the other 3 who did.

gales0678 · #3 05-05-2009, 02:43 PM

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15 horses didn't handle the mud. He handled it better than the other 3 who did.

what about the last 4 f in 47and change - 2nd fastest time in ky derby history?

slotdirt · #4 05-05-2009, 02:44 PM

I don't know that it was the second fastest in KD history. That might be extrapolating.

MaTH716 · #5 05-05-2009, 02:45 PM

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what about the last 4 f in 47and change - 2nd fastest time in ky derby history?

He was on the best part of the track.

gales0678 · #6 05-05-2009, 02:52 PM

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He was on the best part of the track.

but he was on the inside the whole way no?

Antitrust32 · #7 05-05-2009, 03:10 PM

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but he was on the inside the whole way no?

um yes. but he wasnt asked to run except the final half mile

Shirley you have to know that.

gales0678 · #8 05-05-2009, 03:12 PM

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um yes. but he wasnt asked to run except the final half mile

Shirley you have to know that.

yes - he didn't get into him until the last 4f's or so no?

JerseyJ · #9 05-05-2009, 03:25 PM

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but he was on the inside the whole way no?

I am a new poster here, but I will respond to this in a way to try and help explain to you what everyone is trying to say. If you take a look at internal fractions for the 3rd Race, a Maiden Special Weight, look at the internal fractions of the winner, Luv Gov and third place finisher Big Flirt. At the half mile pole, Luv Gov was approximately 5 3/4 lengths in front of Big Flirt, while having a nice rail run under Miguel Mena. At the three quarter split mark, Luv Gov is only 4 1/2 lengths in front of Big Flirt, and ends up by the time he hits the mile split, he's 5 3/4 lengths in front of Big Flirt. So Big Flirt gains 1 1/4 lengths on him from the half mile marker to the three quarter mile marker, until Luv Gov makes a giant run up the rail to regain those 1 1/4 lengths back as both horses run that split in exactly the same 48.4. so because of that rail run Luv Gov is able to get the distance and time that he needs to in order to angle out and explode past a tired Gold Brew. Just an example for you of how even being down on the rail for a short period of time can help, as Luv Gov's rail position enabled him to save ground and be on the better part of the track when Big Flirt tried to make a move if you watch the replay.

slotdirt · #10 05-05-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyJ

I am a new poster here, but I will respond to this in a way to try and help explain to you what everyone is trying to say. If you take a look at internal fractions for the 3rd Race, a Maiden Special Weight, look at the internal fractions of the winner, Luv Gov and third place finisher Big Flirt. At the half mile pole, Luv Gov was approximately 5 3/4 lengths in front of Big Flirt, while having a nice rail run under Miguel Mena. At the three quarter split mark, Luv Gov is only 4 1/2 lengths in front of Big Flirt, and ends up by the time he hits the mile split, he's 5 3/4 lengths in front of Big Flirt. So Big Flirt gains 1 1/4 lengths on him from the half mile marker to the three quarter mile marker, until Luv Gov makes a giant run up the rail to regain those 1 1/4 lengths back as both horses run that split in exactly the same 48.4. so because of that rail run Luv Gov is able to get the distance and time that he needs to in order to angle out and explode past a tired Gold Brew. Just an example for you of how even being down on the rail for a short period of time can help, as Luv Gov's rail position enabled him to save ground and be on the better part of the track when Big Flirt tried to make a move if you watch the replay.

With all due respect, I don't think a Traveling Wilbury could explain what gales is trying to say.

MaTH716 · #11 05-05-2009, 07:06 PM

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but he was on the inside the whole way no?

I feel like I'm stuck in the middle of a bad Abbot and Costello bit.

Benny Leger · #12 05-05-2009, 10:46 PM

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15 horses didn't handle the mud. He handled it better than the other 3 who did.

Why did any of the Horses have to handle the mud in the first place. Why didn't the track super open the track up and at least try and dry it out. It didn't rain Sat. anytime after dawn.

Benny Leger · #13 05-05-2009, 11:02 PM

I didn't see a whole lot of difference in the weather here from Friday to Saturday. They worked the track for the whole card friday, and it was fine by Oaks time. Why not at least try to dry it up for the first half of the card...and if it ain't happenin'...reseal it.

Riot · #14 05-05-2009, 11:08 PM

They did harrow the track repeatedly Saturday. I know they floated it (not sealed it) for the Derby.

#15 05-05-2009, 11:20 PM

After the number of races they had by the time the
derby went off, I think it is safe to say there were
many inconsistencies in the surface.

So if people want to use the race as reliable
information for horses at the Preakness, more
power to them. People freak out enough about
the inconsistent nature of judging horses going
from syn. to dirt, and then make
sweeping proclaimations about that track and race...

Inconsistent in itself.

sdjcom · #16 05-05-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

well what can you attribute it to? surely it has to be something? it just can't be one of those unexplained events

jet fuel in the feed

Antitrust32 · #17 05-05-2009, 03:28 PM

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jet fuel in the feed

well the trainer said he was getting equine massages the week before so maybe he was just tense in his other races? or no?

sdjcom · #18 05-05-2009, 03:34 PM

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well the trainer said he was getting equine massages the week before so maybe he was just tense in his other races? or no?

after seeing that race i would believe anything , massages may be the trick. i really think the horse thought if i don't win the derby my ass will be riding 17 1/2 hrs back in stead of flying f-that

slotdirt · #19 05-05-2009, 03:35 PM

I ran my fastest marathon ever after receiving a massage the week before. It must work!

Sightseek · #20 05-05-2009, 03:39 PM

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well the trainer said he was getting equine massages the week before so maybe he was just tense in his other races? or no?

This is what Dutrow said turned around Saint Liam.