Mind that Bird last race before the derby

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

First, he wasn't part of the pace in the Sunland Derby. Watch the race. The two horses in that race who led through the first half finished 11th and 12th, respectively. He was no more a part of the pace as Kelly Leak was.

Secondly, I don't even know where to begin on this idea that just because a horse may have run a 45-ish 4f at an entirely different part of a completely different race that the horse can just automatically take that half mile number and just magically apply it to a the stretch run of the motherf-ing Kentucky Derby.

Seriously, dude, stop looking for the answers to the Derby in the PP's. They're not there. Honestly. Everybody else is just as fooled as you are.

so true, the speed figure fools never accept outcomes like these. it proves their goofy numbers to be crap. a horse is an athlete, not a machine. i wish numbers could be assigned to performances and tell the future of a horses next peformance. it just does not work that way. the fig's will give winners from time to time but its not as reliable as all the jokers selling them want you to think. this is the beauty of horse racing, the track was crap, two main contenders did not even race and a couple logical horses were "done" when the gate opened. not to mention the winner loved the slop and ran like hes never run before and may never again. can't put a number on that, don't even try. in all sports efforts at times defy logic, thats why the game is played. if everyone knew who was going to win. who would really care ? the fact is no one knows and mathematics does not really apply.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What speed figure fools aren't accepting the outcome in this thread?

i don't know about this thread other then the guy that was trying to explain this horses final half. but, i've read beyers crap after he got burned at GP. believe me people are looking at these numbers and crying. they just don't work that good from track to track or suface to surface. if they did people would be winning all the time and it would not be gambling. i'll look at them but by no means is that the only reason to bet a horse. if it were the highest fig would win alot more than it does. some look at the numbers religiously which is ridiculous. any horse can win, with the right set-up and effort. a number can't tell you that. using your imagination though might. if every 6-5 shot with highest number won , i would hate racing.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i don't know about this thread other then the guy that was trying to explain this horses final half. but, i've read beyers crap after he got burned at GP. believe me people are looking at these numbers and crying. they just don't work that good from track to track or suface to surface. if they did people would be winning all the time and it would not be gambling. i'll look at them but by no means is that the only reason to bet a horse. if it were the highest fig would win alot more than it does. some look at the numbers religiously which is ridiculous. any horse can win, with the right set-up and effort. a number can't tell you that. using your imagination though might. if every 6-5 shot with highest number won , i would hate racing.

Didn't War Emblem have the highest Beyer going into the 2002 Derby? And he paid $43.00 to win, go figure.

[slotdirt]

I want to punch myself in the nads for continuing to post on this thread, but I'm not talking about figures or anything else, I am just discussing the insanity that was Mine that Bird's closing speed on Saturday.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I want to punch myself in the nads for continuing to post on this thread, but I'm not talking about figures or anything else, I am just discussing the insanity that was Mine that Bird's closing speed on Saturday.

well what can you attribute it to? surely it has to be something? it just can't be one of those unexplained events

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

well what can you attribute it to? surely it has to be something? it just can't be one of those unexplained events

15 horses didn't handle the mud. He handled it better than the other 3 who did.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

15 horses didn't handle the mud. He handled it better than the other 3 who did.

what about the last 4 f in 47and change - 2nd fastest time in ky derby history?

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

15 horses didn't handle the mud. He handled it better than the other 3 who did.

Why did any of the Horses have to handle the mud in the first place. Why didn't the track super open the track up and at least try and dry it out. It didn't rain Sat. anytime after dawn.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by gales0678

well what can you attribute it to? surely it has to be something? it just can't be one of those unexplained events

jet fuel in the feed

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

jet fuel in the feed

well the trainer said he was getting equine massages the week before so maybe he was just tense in his other races? or no?