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Old 05-05-2009, 06:14 AM
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MTB had the best 1st and 2nd call times going into the derby and it was his most recent race
So?
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:23 AM
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Stop trying to look in the PP's for an explanation for Saturday. There just isn't one. The horse ran the last half of that race with nearly Secretariat-like speed. It is horse racing. Crap happens.
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:27 AM
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I don't know what's worse, abbreviating horses names or just spelling them wrong altogether.
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:09 AM
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Stop trying to look in the PP's for an explanation for Saturday. There just isn't one. The horse ran the last half of that race with nearly Secretariat-like speed. It is horse racing. Crap happens.
but he didn't ran at all in the beginning , do you know the splits from sat?

he ran the 6f in 1:10 and change in the race before , so there was some ability that maybe was overlooked
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:01 AM
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I see that the horse ran 6f in change the race before, a race that went its final 3/8ths in 40-ish seconds while your boy Mine that Bird completely faded from contention. How does that correlate with the horse coming home in 47-ish seconds in a 10f race next out? It doesn't.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:16 AM
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I see that the horse ran 6f in change the race before, a race that went its final 3/8ths in 40-ish seconds while your boy Mine that Bird completely faded from contention. How does that correlate with the horse coming home in 47-ish seconds in a 10f race next out? It doesn't.

do you have the splits from the derby , he obviously didn't raun at all in the first 3 -4 f , borel took him back , what was his time for the last 6f in the derby surely somebody must have the splits no?


all i'm saying is that his race was better than it looked , how much better , whose to say , but, maybe just maybe he got more out of that race than people want to give him credit for , bumping the horses and taking back in the derby may have been a godsend cuse it allowed borel to conserve in the early part of the race and then unleash during the 2nd half of the race
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:17 AM
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I think officially the horse's internal fractions for the last half of the Derby were 47 and 1/5. That is faster than just about anybody not named Secretariat has run the last 4f of a Derby in at least as far back as I've looked.
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I know, I know, different track, different day, different surface, blah, blah, blah, but for comparison's purposes, Ghostzapper ran the last half in his 2004 Breeders Cup Classic in 47.70.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:25 AM
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I think officially the horse's internal fractions for the last half of the Derby were 47 and 1/5. That is faster than just about anybody not named Secretariat has run the last 4f of a Derby in at least as far back as I've looked.

ok , he ran a 45 and change at sunland in his prior race (he crawled home like you say in that race and he did) but didn't he crawl through the derby in the beginning - why couldn't he come home in 47 and change like he did in the derby after crawling in the beginnig - he was dead last no (i think durkin called him incorrectly on the backside)
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