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Old 05-02-2009, 08:50 PM
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Hard to see the Sunland Derby not getting Grade III status next year now. That will throw the preps of some horses for a loop.
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Old 05-02-2009, 10:44 PM
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Hard to see the Sunland Derby not getting Grade III status next year now. That will throw the preps of some horses for a loop.

I guess between Peppers Pride and Mine that Bird, New Mexico racing might get a little more respect, eh?

Seriously, it is pretty cool that the often dissed here New Mexico's Peppers Pride leaves the all time unbeaten mark at 19 within five months of another New Mexico racing connection winning the Kentucky Derby....easily.

Like it or not, it happened.
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Old 05-02-2009, 10:53 PM
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Hold Me Back's backstretch move was a Derby winning move... a few furlongs early.
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Old 05-02-2009, 10:54 PM
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I thought for sure Papa Clem was going to win at the top of the stretch.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:01 PM
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Hold Me Back's backstretch move was a Derby winning move... a few furlongs early.
Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:03 PM
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Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?

i posted the other day that mott didn't like him on dirt, and pointed to his remsen as the reason why....people still picked him.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:06 PM
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i posted the other day that mott didn't like him on dirt, and pointed to his remsen as the reason why....people still picked him.
What?! The Remsen was an okay effort all things considered. And for a horse who didn't like the dirt, he certainly picked off plenty of horses going down the backstretch with no problem.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:08 PM
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What?! The Remsen was an okay effort all things considered. And for a horse who didn't like the dirt, he certainly picked off plenty of horses going down the backstretch with no problem.
then take it up with mott, who said after hold me backs first start this year that he wanted to keep him on syns, that he didn't want to put him back on dirt. that he 'didn't have a straw in his path' in the remsen where he ran sixth and felt the horse didn't like dirt. it's in bloodhorse, look it up. i posted what mott said as a warning to those picking him for today. if the trainer doesn't like him on natural, why would anyone else?
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:07 PM
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Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?
Fair point, and true. He did middle move a bit there... but today's was more pronounced in my opinion. The inside run down the backstretch never seems to work in the Derby.
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I guess between Peppers Pride and Mine that Bird, New Mexico racing might get a little more respect, eh?

Seriously, it is pretty cool that the often dissed here New Mexico's Peppers Pride leaves the all time unbeaten mark at 19 within five months of another New Mexico racing connection winning the Kentucky Derby....easily.

Like it or not, it happened.
I puked....a lot.
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Seriously, it is pretty cool that the often dissed here New Mexico's Peppers Pride leaves the all time unbeaten mark at 19 within five months of another New Mexico racing connection winning the Kentucky Derby....easily.

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The all time unbeaten mark is at least 54, the number of races won by the Hungarian wonderhorse Kincsem. And she was winning Derbies and races that are today European G1s. "All time" includes all of Thoroughbred racing history, not just the last 50 years.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:30 PM
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The all time unbeaten mark is at least 54, the number of races won by the Hungarian wonderhorse Kincsem. And she was winning Derbies and races that are today European G1s. "All time" includes all of Thoroughbred racing history, not just the last 50 years.

Hungarian? Pfft.

That's (Ga)bor-ing.

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Just thought it was worth mentioning that Mine that Bird further destroyed two of the supposed myths about the Derby:

-can't win with only two preps.
-can't win if your last start was more than four weeks out.
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Just thought it was worth mentioning that Mine that Bird further destroyed two of the supposed myths about the Derby:

-can't win with only two preps.
-can't win if your last start was more than four weeks out.
Hadn't Barbaro, Big Brown and Street Sense done a number on those "myths" as well?

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Hadn't Barbaro, Big Brown and Street Sense done a number on those "myths" as well?

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Hence the reason why I said "further" destroyed them, less anyone think that those winners were exceptions to the rules.
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