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Old 04-29-2009, 08:52 AM
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You have to feel bad for the connections. At least Win Willy won a stakes race on the trail this year. He deserved a shot.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:05 AM
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I said it yesterday, but if you like Dunkirk, why is Summer Bird all that different? I don't think either will end up being a factor anyway, but it's just as likely that Summer Bird clunks up for fourth as anybody else.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:16 AM
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what is funny is that this year the graded earnings required to get in to the starting gate is considerably less than most prior years. It's a very "top heavy" field.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:17 AM
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I said it yesterday, but if you like Dunkirk, why is Summer Bird all that different? I don't think either will end up being a factor anyway, but it's just as likely that Summer Bird clunks up for fourth as anybody else.
I don't know...one seems fairly talented while the other not so much, but that is just a minor detail.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:20 AM
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They've both only run three races and both pretty much dead closers. What have you seen out of Summer Bird that would lead you to believe he is completely untalented? He's only run three races.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:32 AM
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I don't disagree with that, but I think if Dunkirk were somehow trained by Tim Ice and not owned by Coolmore, he'd be thought of much more like Summer Bird when it comes to his Derby chances.

Who wants to give me odds that Summer Bird finishes higher than Dunkirk on Saturday? Anyone?
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:35 AM
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I don't disagree with that, but I think if Dunkirk were somehow trained by Tim Ice and not owned by Coolmore, he'd be thought of much more like Summer Bird when it comes to his Derby chances.

Who wants to give me odds that Summer Bird finishes higher than Dunkirk on Saturday? Anyone?
Are you serious?

Think about who Dunkirk has run against in three starts and who Summer Bird has run against. Take a look at the 108 Beyer that Dunkirk posted last time or the 98 prior to it. Compare Quality Road when he had a perfect trip to Papa Clem. Consider how the race was backing into Summer Bird.

It's OK to not like Dunkirk but to compare him to Summer Bird or to try and make a hopeless case that Dunkirk would be getting as much pub as SB if he was trained by Tim Ice is completely idiotic.

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Old 04-29-2009, 09:37 AM
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It's OK to not like Dunkirk but to compare him to Summer Bird or to try and make a hopeless case that Dunkirk would be getting as much pub as SB if he was trained by Tim Ice is completely idiotic.

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Really? You don't think people are in love with the horse more so because of the connections than his actual on-track performance? My opinion might be misguided, but I think idiotic is a little over the top.
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I don't disagree with that, but I think if Dunkirk were somehow trained by Tim Ice and not owned by Coolmore, he'd be thought of much more like Summer Bird when it comes to his Derby chances.

Who wants to give me odds that Summer Bird finishes higher than Dunkirk on Saturday? Anyone?

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Clearly this is oversimplified, but if there's no "Quality Road" in the Florida Derby, Dunkirk comes in to the Derby very similar to Big Brown last year:
Undefeated in 3 starts, and more importantly, winning easily by open lengths in each start, including the Grade 1 Florida Derby.

Not to mention, winning an allowance race at the GP distance where if you're hung out wide on the first turn like he was, you're basically screwed.

I haven't been a big Dunkirk fan this Spring, but rewatching his 3 races, I can't help but feel he could eventually be the best of this crop. I'm just not sure he'll be the best by this Saturday.
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