4/27: Incident mars Derby Works..

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by justindew

Now a second source is reporting that Raspberry Kiss was taken to Lexington before she was put down.

Maybe someone can clear this up. I watched Raspberry Kiss try to stand up, and then saw her body contort as she fell back down. They then brought out the screen to shield her from the crowd and injected her with something. Then she was scooped up and loaded on the ambulance.

LEX 18 news reports she was taken to rood and riddle and died of shock,before vets could euthanize her

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

LEX 18 news reports she was taken to rood and riddle and died of shock,before vets could euthanize her

This is really just sick to me. When you watch the works on television you get no sense of what sounds like mass confusion out there. Sounds more like a rodeo than any kind of thorobred operation, maybe that's why they do it so early in the morning. There is really no excuse in this day and age for horses to be purposely run in opposite directions on the same track (like in the Tin
Cup Chalice incident, from what I was told) or to have horses just milling around while a loose horse is running towards them (here).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

This is really just sick to me. When you watch the works on television you get no sense of what sounds like mass confusion out there. Sounds more like a rodeo than any kind of thorobred operation, maybe that's why they do it so early in the morning. There is really no excuse in this day and age for horses to be purposely run in opposite directions on the same track (like in the Tin
Cup Chalice incident, from what I was told) or to have horses just milling around while a loose horse is running towards them (here).

There is also no excuse for posting something so idiotic.

[sumitas]

I don't know the cause or the frequency of these tragic incidents and I doubt the NTRA does either . A thorough investigation is needed into tragedies like this .

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I don't know the cause or the frequency of these tragic incidents and I doubt the NTRA does either . A thorough investigation is needed into tragedies like this .

Do you know anything about thoroughbreds?

[sumitas]

I know enough to know that incidents like this are not acceptable .

[Indian Charlie]

I think they should investigate as well.

The first thing they should do is question the horse that dumped the rider in the first place and ask why it ran straight into another horse.

I feel if they could just understand a horse's motivation for doing such things, they could probably talk other unruly two year olds out of making similar mistakes.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I know enough to know that incidents like this are not acceptable .

It's much better to criticize from strength than from weakness. You really need to spend even a little time around the racetrack.

[ezgoerbaby]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you know anything about thoroughbreds?

Or horses in general for that matter. This could've happened with just 2 horses on the track. Horses are nuts.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ezgoerbaby

Or horses in general for that matter. This could've happened with just 2 horses on the track. Horses are nuts.

lol

a bit, yes. a single horse can get himself in all kinds of trouble.


those of you pissing your pants and posting in hysteria... take the # of tracks in a day, multiply that by days they run, mulitiply that by # of horses trained per day...take that # and compare it to the two bizarre recent incidents, and give me the # you get. thousands of horses train every day. THOUSANDS. and you want three at a time on the track. let's see.....3 per five minutes. that's 36 horses an hour. that's ten hours to train 360 horses. yeah, that's doable.

as for those applauding pletcher-his concern, as well as the others with derby horses, is that a crazy two year old was on the track with the crazy three year olds that are derby-bound. he suggested the stars get the first few minutes after the REN break to themselves, so that you don't have a green colt taking out one of the big guys(but don't forget, a horse you may have heard of, point given, got loose on the track-remember?). not a bad idea for derby horses, but it certainly doesn't come close to some of the suggestions (hilarious as they are) on here.


newsflash-the track is a dangerous place.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ezgoerbaby

Or horses in general for that matter. This could've happened with just 2 horses on the track. Horses are nuts.

You don't even need 2, it can happen with just one that gets spooked, takes off and can run into anything. When a horse gets scared, they can be unpredictable and very hard to handle.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I don't know the cause or the frequency of these tragic incidents and I doubt the NTRA does either . A thorough investigation is needed into tragedies like this .

I think you should have stopped after saying "I don't know."

Everything after that was ludicrous.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is also no excuse for posting something so idiotic.

What could possibly be so hard about only having one horse on the track at a time? Or two or three spaced strategically apart around the track?

[Riot]

Wait, hold on, you guys! ... let me get some popcorn, and a soda ....

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wait, hold on, you guys! ... let me get some popcorn, and a soda ....

I just don't know what's so hard about having only a certain number of horses on the track at one time. Of course, accidents are that, but if they are there to work they should work, get off the track, and then put the next one on. Isn't that how they do it at the sales?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

I just don't know what's so hard about having only a certain number of horses on the track at one time. Of course, accidents are that, but if they are there to work they should work, get off the track, and then put the next one on. Isn't that how they do it at the sales?

Other than each horse requiring about 5 minutes to train, multiplied by the number of horses in the barns. You soon realize that Todd's horses alone would take you beyond post time.
They do it like that at the sales because the works are being viewed by buyers with an eye to purchase and because they have ALL DAY to work them and each horse is just doinhg one thing, running for 1 or 2 furlongs. There are several thousand horses at a place like Belmont how do you train them one by one?
There are "rules of the road" out there but horses are horses. They dump their riders and crash into other horses or through the fences. Horses jogging/moving slow are kept to the outside and they go clockwise. This is for the same reason that if you are walking along a roadside you are supposed to OPPOSE traffic; so you can see on coming faster moving things.
Gallopers and breezers go counterclockwise, faster moving horses staying to the rail. Everyone who rides knows that it can be dangerous and their self preservation instinct saves alot of lives.
Young horses are often asked to stop and look around. Riders just sit in a relaxed manner to relax the horses. It gets them used to sights and sounds and gives them the idea that the whole "go to the track" thing is fun and easy. You see alot of this anytime alot of babies are around, like Keeneland or Churchill or Saratoga.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

I just don't know what's so hard about having only a certain number of horses on the track at one time. Of course, accidents are that, but if they are there to work they should work, get off the track, and then put the next one on. Isn't that how they do it at the sales?

How about we just get rid of the jockeys and trainers,put the horses in a starting gate,release them,then release a huge frickin tiger to chase them past the finish line.The breed would improve,since it would be survival of the fittest,and all workouts would be eliminated and not needed.Races would be better,with all garbage horses being eaten by the tiger.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

What could possibly be so hard about only having one horse on the track at a time? Or two or three spaced strategically apart around the track?

three horses at a time on the track? there aren't enough hours in the day to have training like that, with the sheer amount of horses in training-and the fact that usually training occurs in a set number of hours a day before live racing. there's no way.

we're about to have a race with 20 starters, stable ponies, and outriders in front of over 100k people, all on the track at the same time. i would think the track, during training hours, can handle more than a few horses at a time.

this incident is far from the norm. there's no need for a knee jerk reaction after a two year old colt bolts. it's a damn shame, true.
could there be some changes? perhaps. three horses on the track. that's a bit much i feel, and most likely impossible.

[Sightseek]

OH MY GOD.

[sumitas]

Could there be some changes ? Perhaps ? A bit of an understatement to say the least .