Mullins Suspended 7 Days

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

having a guy get put away for air power-yeah, that sounds extreme. but when you phrase it as 'a repeat offender did it yet again'-does it still sound so innocuous? he's a cheater and more than once, and he just got caught again. whether he was giving the horse 'just' air power, or air power with a little something extra is beside the point. how many times should a guy be allowed to violate the rules? five, ten, twenty five (apparently you win an eclipse award for best trainer once you crack two dozen). how many is too many?
perhaps they should institute a points system. lesser offenses, lesser points. bigger offenses, bigger points. point out, get out.
my take is that the punishment should fit the level of the crime. small time trainers don't have the deep pockets of some of the big name trainers. so, a violation in a graded race should be higher $-wise than a $5k claimer for instance. i have said all along that penalty money should be based on a percentage, not a flat rate. $2500 means next to nothing to mullins, but is a lot to some other trainers.

I've always said, I don't care if Mullins was giving Gato Go Win a dose of his grandma's chicken soup, he broke the rules and if he's too stupid to know what the detention barn is for, well he's too stupid to train. If he knows and broke the rules anyway, he's too big of a cheat to train. Either way, I fail to see how he's not too (fill in the blank) to train. By all means, lets let him run a horse in the Derby so that when the media does any digging whatsoever should I Want Revenge win, they'll throw this back in our faces. Great job.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I've always said, I don't care if Mullins was giving Gato Go Win a dose of his grandma's chicken soup, he broke the rules and if he's too stupid to know what the detention barn is for, well he's too stupid to train. If he knows and broke the rules anyway, he's too big of a cheat to train. Either way, I fail to see how he's not too (fill in the blank) to train. By all means, lets let him run a horse in the Derby so that when the media does any digging whatsoever should I Want Revenge win, they'll throw this back in our faces. Great job.

Why do people take this so personally? I don't think what the media says about Mullins, Dutrow or 8 Belles reflects upon me at all, the same way I don't think the steroids scandal in baseball reflects upon me at all. While I may bet more money on one than the other, I've learned it's just better to do what someone above said and adjust my handicapping accordingly. If a horse is hurt that's another story, they don't have a choice like Barry Bonds, etal.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Why do people take this so personally? I don't think what the media says about Mullins, Dutrow or 8 Belles reflects upon me at all, the same way I don't think the steroids scandal in baseball reflects upon me at all. While I may bet more money on one than the other, I've learned it's just better to do what someone above said and adjust my handicapping accordingly. If a horse is hurt that's another story, they don't have a choice like Barry Bonds, etal.

it's taking it personally that some of us want cheaters to be penalized? or maybe even run out of the game if they continue?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's taking it personally that some of us want cheaters to be penalized? or maybe even run out of the game if they continue?

So, let me ask an innocent question here. I am not instigating anything here, nor do I want to get caught up in semantics. However, did you really expect Mullins to get handed a suspension that would start immediately, or at least start and run so that it kept him out of the Derby? And, if so, did you expect that suspension to stick, meaning that Mullins would be kept out of the Derby? Thanks.

Eric

Originally Posted by ELA

So, let me ask an innocent question here. I am not instigating anything here, nor do I want to get caught up in semantics. However, did you really expect Mullins to get handed a suspension that would start immediately, or at least start and run so that it kept him out of the Derby? And, if so, did you expect that suspension to stick, meaning that Mullins would be kept out of the Derby? Thanks.

Eric

I am butting in.
Yes I was hoping.
That would have sent the message.

Would it have EVER happened. Probably not.
It has again pointed at a great weakness in the whole mess.
No overall governing body. No clear penalties for violations
that work from state to state. It would all lead to a legal morass.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ELA

So, let me ask an innocent question here. I am not instigating anything here, nor do I want to get caught up in semantics. However, did you really expect Mullins to get handed a suspension that would start immediately, or at least start and run so that it kept him out of the Derby? And, if so, did you expect that suspension to stick, meaning that Mullins would be kept out of the Derby? Thanks.

Eric

i guess i thought-incorrectly-that ny took their detention barn and rules seriously. in light of the suspension given to biancone and his vet, i guess i expected more than a week-and yes, i know that wasn't in ny. did i think it would begin right away? no, since it seems appeals can drag on. keep him out of the derby? not with it coming up in two weeks. the timing isn't right. but i did expect more than seven days when it all came down.

[MaTH716]

Did NYRA ever release any kind of statement about what unfolded that day. With some sort of account from the security people involved?
Basically, is Mullins speaking the truth. Did the security people witness Mullins bring in the Air Power and let him walk right in? And if confiscated was it ever tested?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Did NYRA ever release any kind of statement about what unfolded that day. With some sort of account from the security people involved?
Basically, is Mullins speaking the truth. Did the security people witness Mullins bring in the Air Power and let him walk right in? And if confiscated was it ever tested?

i haven't seen anything from them. as for mullins bringing something in, i can't help but think his bucket o'stuff only got a cursory glance. hell, when's the last time a trainer tried to give something in the D barn in new york?! i deal with going in and out of 'security' gates on an almost daily basis, if the guards in the barn there are as diligent as they are where i go, you could bring freaking jumbo the elephant thru and no one would notice.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Did NYRA ever release any kind of statement about what unfolded that day. With some sort of account from the security people involved?
Basically, is Mullins speaking the truth. Did the security people witness Mullins bring in the Air Power and let him walk right in? And if confiscated was it ever tested?

He had the application syringe in a pocket.
Thats all I saw printed.

Even if they had said go right in and take care of your
horse, he should have immediatley thought they are trying
to set me up. Point is, he knows the rules. He is well accustomed
with rules because he has broken so many, accidentalty or not.

[Cannon Shell]

Personally I think his suspension is a joke but find Sabini's comments more troubling.

"Although the penalty will not affect Mullins's ability to prepare I Want Revenge for any of the Triple Crown races, New York State Racing and Wagering Board chairman John D. Sabini said he believes the board came down hard on Mullins.

"Trainers who wish to participate in New York racing are responsible for knowing our race day rules and our medication rules," Sabini said in a statement. "These sanctions should send a clear message that ignorance will never wash as an excuse. I applaud the stewards for scratching Gato Go Win when they did. This horse was flown all the way to New York from California for a single race. As a result of what he did on April 4, Mr. Mullins is learning the hard way that there are tough consequences for not being more familiar with the rules of New York.""

If this clown thinks that they have done something positive with this suspension then he is dumber than most political appointees which in itself is a difficult task. Maybe someone should inform this moron that a 7 day vacation after the Derby is hardly 'coming down hard, a clear message or tough consequences'. For all the misguided souls that believe that federal intervention is a good option, here is exhibit A why govt appointees who have no clue about what they are regulating wont do a damn bit of good.

Regardless of what Mullins gave the horse he should have gotten a 60 day suspension at least. If you are going to have a detention barn than at least attempt to make it relevant. Allowing ignorance of the rules or other supposed mitigating circumstances to come down with a 15 day suspension is a joke.

I dont know all of the legalities of NYRA's position in this whole fiasco but if they are legally allowed to, I dont know why they cant impose some house sanctions like no Mullins in NY for 6 months.

As for Hartley, he stands The Green Monkey, need I say more?

[HaloWishingwell]

I'll be the first to say I'm rooting against Mullins and IEAH but Belmont week would be kind of interesting if Mullins is back with IWR.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Personally I think his suspension is a joke but find Sabini's comments more troubling.

"Although the penalty will not affect Mullins's ability to prepare I Want Revenge for any of the Triple Crown races, New York State Racing and Wagering Board chairman John D. Sabini said he believes the board came down hard on Mullins.

"Trainers who wish to participate in New York racing are responsible for knowing our race day rules and our medication rules," Sabini said in a statement. "These sanctions should send a clear message that ignorance will never wash as an excuse. I applaud the stewards for scratching Gato Go Win when they did. This horse was flown all the way to New York from California for a single race. As a result of what he did on April 4, Mr. Mullins is learning the hard way that there are tough consequences for not being more familiar with the rules of New York.""

If this clown thinks that they have done something positive with this suspension then he is dumber than most political appointees which in itself is a difficult task. Maybe someone should inform this moron that a 7 day vacation after the Derby is hardly 'coming down hard, a clear message or tough consequences'. For all the misguided souls that believe that federal intervention is a good option, here is exhibit A why govt appointees who have no clue about what they are regulating wont do a damn bit of good.

Regardless of what Mullins gave the horse he should have gotten a 60 day suspension at least. If you are going to have a detention barn than at least attempt to make it relevant. Allowing ignorance of the rules or other supposed mitigating circumstances to come down with a 15 day suspension is a joke.

I dont know all of the legalities of NYRA's position in this whole fiasco but if they are legally allowed to, I dont know why they cant impose some house sanctions like no Mullins in NY for 6 months.

As for Hartley, he stands The Green Monkey, need I say more?

so, unless they gave other punishment we haven't heard about, i wonder what the hell he's talking about regarding tough punishment....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, unless they gave other punishment we haven't heard about, i wonder what the hell he's talking about regarding tough punishment....

He is an idiot. He believes that this was a big deal because they shipped the horse from CA and had to scratch. Like Mullins is on the hook for that expense.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

they'll throw this back in our faces. Great job.

That's what I meant by personally; this poster obviously takes whatever is said on tv about horseracing personally. If Merlinsky is an owner, I understand that. Why you (Danzig) took what I said personally, I don't know.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

That's what I meant by personally; this poster obviously takes whatever is said on tv about horseracing personally. If Merlinsky is an owner, I understand that. Why you (Danzig) took what I said personally, I don't know.

I don't understand his taking anything you say personally. After all, when chucklestheclown speaks I always think it is just part of the act.