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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think one of the differentiators is when these horses move to dirt and are forced to run more "dirt-like" than the turf style of sit and run. The "How was the figure earned?" approach...

this I agree with, the way the races are run has such a dramatic effect on final time that comparing final times without that element is a complete waste, yet I hear handicapper after handicapper comparing figures without even putting the efforts into context, and worse yet comparing abilities to dirt horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

this I agree with, the way the races are run has such a dramatic effect on final time that comparing final times without that element is a complete waste, yet I hear handicapper after handicapper comparing figures without even putting the efforts into context, and worse yet comparing abilities to dirt horses.

I guess in this case you are using the word " handicapper " loosely.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess in this case you are using the word " handicapper " loosely.

You want popular main stream examples, "loosely" being certain professionals that get paid to analyze the races?

[blackthroatedwind]

I don't need examples.

These races in California are turf races. They have no measurable affect on the TC races. That is not to say a West Coast horse can't do well in later dirt races, but their performances right now are in no way reliable predictors, and without that possibility we learn nothing.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't need examples.

These races in California are turf races. They have no measurable affect on the TC races. That is not to say a West Coast horse can't do well in later dirt races, but their performances right now are in no way reliable predictors, and without that possibility we learn nothing.

we are agreeing, it actually should be a benifet for a player like you who can analyze a horse not only based on a speed figure.

For the record, the most impressive win of the meet was Matto Mondo and that horse got a 102, he can win the Met, ran on dirt in Chile so that should not be an issue.