Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

Kasept · #1 10-21-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Nobody plays Keeneland's main track anymore. Have you seen the statistics from their meet?

I don't know the amounts each individual on this board bets but I know Andy is not alone in this. Not even close. I personally will play very little, if any, on the main track races. I just do not like games of chance that much. I like gambling on horses because I feel confident that I can read a form, know the horses, and make an informed decision on where my money will go. I have ZERO such confidence in that on this track.

KG...

With all due respect, the 'games of chance' out is the widespread excuse for those unwilling to work at capping and playing synthetic tracks. The Oak Tree racing has been fair and formful on the dirt-lile Pro-Ride surface, and regulars of West Coast circuit play have stated they aren't even thinking there is any unusually 'unique' aspect to the oval.

King Glorious · #2 10-21-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

KG...

With all due respect, the 'games of chance' out is the widespread excuse for those unwilling to work at capping and playing synthetic tracks. The Oak Tree racing has been fair and formful on the dirt-lile Pro-Ride surface, and regulars of West Coast circuit play have stated they aren't even thinking there is any unusually 'unique' aspect to the oval.

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. It's been fair and formful.....to those that have already been stabled out in California or have shown an ability to handle a synthetic track. Some people looked at the results of the Goodwood, Oak Leaf, Ancient Title, and Lady's Secret and said they proved that it's formful. But think about it. Well Armed had already shown he liked synthetics. So had Stardom Bound and the runner-up in the Oak Leaf. The 1-2-3 finishers in the Ancient Title were all proven performers on synthetics. And Zenyatta is just a beast that can win on anything. But did you notice Hystericalady barely holding for second after the pace scenario she had? What the track showed it was is similar to other synthetics and holds the form of those races. But it still told us nothing about how horses that haven't run on it, Curlin for instance, will perform. It didn't tell us if the best horses will win the races or the best synthetic horses will win the races. That's the great unknown and for a lot of bettors, it's too big of one.

letswastemoney · #3 10-21-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. It's been fair and formful.....to those that have already been stabled out in California or have shown an ability to handle a synthetic track. Some people looked at the results of the Goodwood, Oak Leaf, Ancient Title, and Lady's Secret and said they proved that it's formful. But think about it. Well Armed had already shown he liked synthetics. So had Stardom Bound and the runner-up in the Oak Leaf. The 1-2-3 finishers in the Ancient Title were all proven performers on synthetics. And Zenyatta is just a beast that can win on anything. But did you notice Hystericalady barely holding for second after the pace scenario she had? What the track showed it was is similar to other synthetics and holds the form of those races. But it still told us nothing about how horses that haven't run on it, Curlin for instance, will perform. It didn't tell us if the best horses will win the races or the best synthetic horses will win the races. That's the great unknown and for a lot of bettors, it's too big of one.

I agree!! Everyone is saying Zenyatta crushed her. But HL set fractions of 24 and 48 and didn't even put up a fight.

There is something wrong with that picture......Any G1 quality horse should win with that kind of pace.

zippyneedsawin · #4 10-22-2008, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

KG...

With all due respect, the 'games of chance' out is the widespread excuse for those unwilling to work at capping and playing synthetic tracks. The Oak Tree racing has been fair and formful on the dirt-lile Pro-Ride surface, and regulars of West Coast circuit play have stated they aren't even thinking there is any unusually 'unique' aspect to the oval.

I agree with KG. When I'm looking at the BC races with horses coming from real dirt and turf who are trying Pro-Ride for the first time, how does the 'formful' surface at SA help my handicapping? It's a complete roll of the dice to me.