Horseplayer Confidential...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Hooves is a lot easier to understand when he posts as Anonymous

huh? you mean when he posts as mrs hooves?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

huh? you mean when he posts as mrs hooves?

Maybe she's the anonymous and his wife is really her husband?

of why someone might want to maintain some level of confidentiality. The reality is that I might be anyone based on what's in the post...even ArlJim..

But we've proved again that no good deed goes unpunished. Just put it out there to attempt to offer a word of caution. I know most touts are bogus, I fell for the story that they paid for inside info.... I doubt that anyone who knows the game would believe that is totally implausible.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by anonymous

of why someone might want to maintain some level of confidentiality. The reality is that I might be anyone based on what's in the post...even ArlJim..
But we've proved again that no good deed goes unpunished. Just put it out there to attempt to offer a word of caution. I know most touts are bogus, I fell for the story that they paid for inside info.... I doubt that anyone who knows the game would believe that is totally implausible.

No. ArlJim is really Mrs. Hooves.

Anyway, I'm glad you shared your experience. If people joke about it they're either an azz or a filthy hillbilly. Or both.

All you can do is live and learn. Not every move you make works. That's how it goes.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No. ArlJim is really Mrs. Hooves.

Anyway, I'm glad you shared your experience. If people joke about it they're either an azz or a filthy hillbilly. Or both.

All you can do is live and learn. Not every move you make works. That's how it goes.

Did you ever see Murder by Death, Bruce?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Did you ever see Murder by Death, Bruce?

Many times. I was actually up for the part of Wang's son. Didn't work out.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by anonymous

of why someone might want to maintain some level of confidentiality. The reality is that I might be anyone based on what's in the post...even ArlJim..

But we've proved again that no good deed goes unpunished. Just put it out there to attempt to offer a word of caution. I know most touts are bogus, I fell for the story that they paid for inside info.... I doubt that anyone who knows the game would believe that is totally implausible.

i'm sorry, I just don't see it as some good deed you've done. you say you are a knowledgeable horseplayer, active on this board for years, yet because of greed you went for what looked like an easy proposition, getting rich by paying for inside information. essentially cheating the rest of us who try to succeed at the game fairly. and now because you anonymously fess up we're supposed to be so grateful and admire your courage?

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i'm sorry, I just don't see it as some good deed you've done. you say you are a knowledgeable horseplayer, active on this board for years, yet because of greed you went for what looked like an easy proposition, getting rich by paying for inside information. essentially cheating the rest of us who try to succeed at the game fairly. and now because you anonymously fess up we're supposed to be so grateful and admire your courage?

wtf is fair
When I put my money on a horse, it is my desire to win....am I greedy because of that desire? ...if so, then so be it.
By attending workouts and then betting on the basis of information that others don't have, am I cheating the rest of ya?...if so, then so be it.

Generally speaking people bet on horses hoping to make money...the basis for whom they choose to wager upon may come from tip sheets...their own handicapping...touts...stable connections....lucky numbers...favorite colors.....favorite jockeys....cause the horse took a dump in the paddock....ect ect. None of these systems are fool proof.
What is the big deal if someone wants to pay for selections...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

wtf is fair
When I put my money on a horse, it is my desire to win....am I greedy because of that desire? ...if so, then so be it.
By attending workouts and then betting on the basis of information that others don't have, am I cheating the rest of ya?...if so, then so be it.

Generally speaking people bet on horses hoping to make money...the basis for whom they choose to wager upon may come from tip sheets...their own handicapping...touts...stable connections....lucky numbers...favorite colors.....favorite jockeys....cause the horse took a dump in the paddock....ect ect. None of these systems are fool proof.
What is the big deal if someone wants to pay for selections...

no problem with the greed part, or desire to make money or using hard work to obtain an edge over others.
paying for selections that are obtained by paying people for inside information seems sleazy and not legit.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I didn't read his post that way Dave. There are a ton of advantages people can get from this game. One of them is watching, or knowing someone that watches workouts. It's a huge advantage IMO. However it's not an unfair advantage. Like many things in life, it helps to know people.

I guess I just don't know many people that would fall for this. And in my opinion if a tout was any good, they could make enough money betting on their own, that they don't need to do the whole tout thing.

The whole premise of this thread seems odd to me.

Yeah, if you are actually making money in the long run then you'll make more by keeping your mouth shut and improving your payouts. The only reason to sell picks is if you are losing in the long run and hope someone latches on when you have a hot streak and will continue to pay for your picks.

I don't think it is cheating to pay for those picks. Just laziness and stupidity.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, if you are actually making money in the long run then you'll make more by keeping your mouth shut and improving your payouts. The only reason to sell picks is if you are losing in the long run and hope someone latches on when you have a hot streak and will continue to pay for your picks.

I don't think it is cheating to pay for those picks. Just laziness and stupidity.

I think this is the point that really should get across. If someone is 'selling picks,' I take that as they aren't very good. If they were good picks, they probably wouldn't be for sale! They wouldn't be given out.... right BTW?

[Payson Dave]

I read it that; Anonymous fell for a scam...lost some money and is alerting others to avoid his/her mistake....the scumbag here is the one selling the bogus info...anonymous is simply the (hopefully now smarter) mark

[Antitrust32]

Dave,

Speaking of watching workouts... Remember that horse you gave me on Travers day last year.. a maiden (that you saw workout) who was supposed to be a longshot but went off as like a co-favorite and won the race in a tight finish and I think maybe survived an inquiry..

Do you know what happened to that horse? I cant remember his name for the life of me except that he was the 12 horse I think.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

although i see both sides it is only done so no one else gets burned.. thank you .........

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

although i see both sides it is only done so no one else gets burned.. thank you .........

So, someone gets this phone call, and was going to fall for it, but because of this warning is now deterred?

Ummmmm...................OK. Whatever you say.

[miraja2]

Not to be rude, but if somebody falls for an obvious scam like that, I don't really feel very sorry for them.
I guess it is nice to give out a warning, but I honestly don't think very many people here would fall for something like that anyway.