Big Brown is no Preakness lock

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Great point. Bernardini won a bunch of Grade I's after the Derby, and Harlem Rocker hasn't. I agree.

You insinuated that it was some major drawback that Harlem Rocker hadn't gone two turns. Well, neither had Bernardini. What Bernardini did in the Preakness and after is irrelevant, because Harlem Rocker hasn't had a chance to do any of those things.

All I am saying is Bernardini is a very special case
and the implied comparison is not the greatest. But..

If Harlem Rocker goes on to win the Preakness,
JIm Dandy, Travers, Jockey Club Gold by significant margins,
and then loses while battling on the front end for
much of the race and getting passed by a horse as good
as Invasor in the BCC. That would be cool.

And even though I am not into breeding, Bernadini
was expected to do a lot based on his background,
and he did.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Here we go, get used to this reese, classic Dt'ers feeling all warm and cuddly ganging up on someone so they can feel better about their pitiful lives. You'll fit right in.

You appear to be the one making assumptions and putting words in other people's mouths.
Your words make you look uninformed and presumptuous.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

As would I. I know Casse shipped him back to Toronto, and mentioned possibly trying one of the big summer stakes (Haskell or Travers), although with only 2 races this year, he would seem fit to try the Preakness if they wanted.

I'd also like to see Ready's Echo, but that's probably unlikely. Pletcher mentioned on At the Races a few weeks ago that they may try him in the Peter Pan.

He's listed among the probables for the Peter Pan, according to DRF.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is Bernardini?
We are truly reaching.

Actually Bernardini wasn't undefeated going into the Preakness. Harlem Rocker is undefeated. I still think they likely will skip the race but Stronach does own Pimlico if I am correct and Harlem Rocker could still go to the Queens Plate.

[johnny pinwheel]

as long as he is healthy , i think he is a lock. this is from someone that did not like him saturday. so far the preakness field looks even worse. the belmont will be his challange, its usually the down fall of the triple crown hopefuls.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.

Check out your local Maryland Trainer... and yes I had that exacta ...a few times !!!!

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Actually Bernardini wasn't undefeated going into the Preakness. Harlem Rocker is undefeated. I still think they likely will skip the race but Stronach does own Pimlico if I am correct and Harlem Rocker could still go to the Queens Plate.

Maiden voyage yes.
Bernardini had big expectations put on him
mainly because he had two very impressive
races before the Preakness, but it was mainly his breeding imo.
And I think it is probable (although impossible
to say) that he would have beaten a ready (no breakthru)
Barbaro.

Just think its a bit much of a step for Rocker
and a reach. Especially since we have not seen
the best out of Big Brown. Who the heck knows.
Maybe he stays really sore for two weeks. Or the feet.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Maiden voyage yes.
Bernardini had big expectations put on him
mainly because he had two very impressive
races before the Preakness, but it was mainly his breeding imo.
And I think it is probable (although impossible
to say) that he would have beaten a ready (no breakthru)
Barbaro.

Just think its a bit much of a step for Rocker
and a reach. Especially since we have not seen
the best out of Big Brown. Who the heck knows.
Maybe he stays really sore for two weeks. Or the feet.

Bernardini through three starts: fourth at six furlongs (68 Beyer), WON at a one-turn mile (90 Beyer), WON one-turn mile Withers (104 Beyer).

Harlem Rocker through three starts: WON at seven furlongs (81 Beyer), WON at a one-turn mile (97 Beyer), WON one-turn mile Withers (106 Beyer).

Yeah, a real reach. If anything, Harlem Rocker has been faster thus far than Bernardini had been. Not saying he'll turn out to be better or even as good, but your saying it's a reach seems unfounded, and is probably clouded by memories of Bernardini dominating most of the rest of the year.

Originally Posted by pgardn

but it was mainly his breeding imo.

Personally I liked Bernardini's race before the Preakness more.
But if the Beyers are the final say than so be it. Bernardini was
clearly getting better, and was fullfilling breeding expectations.
I remember it well because I did not like him for this very reason.

I dont remember distance limitations highly discussed.

Harlem Rocker. I have seen some mention. But if you want
a horse with a high consistent cruising speed for a mile to tire
Brown that might work.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Personally I liked Bernardini's race before the Preakness more.
But if the Beyers are the final say than so be it. Bernardini was
clearly getting better, and was fullfilling breeding expectations.
I remember it well because I did not like him for this very reason.

I dont remember distance limitations highly discussed.

Harlem Rocker. I have seen some mention. But if you want
a horse with a high consistent cruising speed for a mile to tire
Brown that might work.

So.. Your point is that Bernardini had more hype, so therefore it's a reach?

I'll say this one more time: He probably isn't Bernardini, but based on what he's done, there's nothing that comes even close to saying that definitively.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So.. Your point is that Bernardini had more hype, so therefore it's a reach?

I'll say this one more time: He probably isn't Bernardini, but based on what he's done, there's nothing that comes even close to saying that definitively.

Yes he had more hype.
Because he was improving so rapidly and fullfilling
breeding expectations. So for me, its a reach.

And I will say I again I will bet he does not do
what Bernadini does in the Preakness, and after.
A pretty easy thing for me to say and the opposite of making a
bold statement.

Its nice remembering how much I did not like this
high brow horse and then he did nothing but impress
me. Bernardini's BCC was a really good try.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes he had more hype.
Because he was improving so rapidly and fullfilling
breeding expectations. So for me, its a reach.

And I will say I again I will bet he does not do
what Bernadini does in the Preakness, and after.
A pretty easy thing for me to say and the opposite of making a
bold statement.

Its nice remembering how much I did not like this
high brow horse and then he did nothing but impress
me. Bernardini's BCC was a really good try.

Well, we agree there. I laugh whenever I see somebody bash his run in the BCC.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well, we agree there. I laugh whenever I see somebody bash his run in the BCC.

Need another like that.
Makes me long for Invasor, Bernardini, Curlin matchup; that would be great.
On the dirt.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

as i recall he made blue grass cat cry....

[Better Than Honour]

I think they would be crazy to skip the Preakness. It is a much better test than the Plate Trial and it serves the same purpose as a prep. The fact is he might win it. They would be kicking themselves if he turns out to be a great horse and Big Brown retires right after the triple crown.

Run them in the big races when they are peaking. And this horse is definitely moving forward.

[MISTERGEE]

brisnet has big browe as 5th best early pace and 5th best late pace in his last race is this possible?