Big Brown is no Preakness lock - Page 2

horseofcourse · #21 05-05-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.

I'll just say he's a very good horse right now. That's as far as I am willing to go. I also don't think he is remotely close to being the worst Ky Derby winner despite the lack of class he beat. There have been a million Big Brown threads, I'm sure at some point someone said good things about him.

Better Than Honour · #22 05-05-2008, 02:20 PM

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And you are right anything can happen in a race but I just cant get over the fact that NOBODY on this site can give credit where credit is due. It seems that so many people here are miserable in their own lives that they cant bring it upon themselves to give a little pat on the back to anyone that deserves it. Im Glad for Dutrow who is a NY trainer, living out of a stall about ten years ago, id be cocky too if I had a horse like that. And wow the owners found some success and their celebrating and you people cant stand it. Good for all of them.

The horse is getting plenty of credit. He is an incredible animal but right now his success has a lot to do with the lack of talent. He will eventually have to beat a good horse.

As for Dutrow, he is a great horseman. The reputation he has is not because he gets caught cheater sometimes but because he shows no remorse. I would rather see somebody like Kiaran McLaughlin get a horse like this but it isn't like Dutrow hasn't paid his dues. He is as deserving as anyone.

As for IEAH, I am just not a fan of what they are trying to do to the horse business. But they are good at what they do.

ateamstupid · #23 05-05-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

And you are right anything can happen in a race but I just cant get over the fact that NOBODY on this site can give credit where credit is due. It seems that so many people here are miserable in their own lives that they cant bring it upon themselves to give a little pat on the back to anyone that deserves it. Im Glad for Dutrow who is a NY trainer, living out of a stall about ten years ago, id be cocky too if I had a horse like that. And wow the owners found some success and their celebrating and you people cant stand it. Good for all of them.

What the hell are you talking about? There's been plenty of praise for him and his effort. And real classy saying how impressed you were by Big Brown "breaking down" Eight Belles himself.

The Bid · #24 05-05-2008, 02:40 PM

They are good at marketing

parsixfarms · #25 05-05-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

As for Dutrow, he is a great horseman. The reputation he has is not because he gets caught cheater sometimes but because he shows no remorse. I would rather see somebody like Kiaran McLaughlin get a horse like this but it isn't like Dutrow hasn't paid his dues. He is as deserving as anyone.

Dutrow's reputation is what it is because he has been caught cheating (who knows how many times he hasn't been caught cheating) and he shows no remorse.

As for saying that he is as "deserving as anyone," I think a lot more of the vast majority of people in this industry.

kgar311 · #26 05-05-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What the hell are you talking about? There's been plenty of praise for him and his effort. And real classy saying how impressed you were by Big Brown "breaking down" Eight Belles himself.

Im glad you saw that I was impressed with that. My tears were for the Joy of BB winning. Idiot.

kgar311 · #27 05-05-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dumbest comparison ever.

I wasnt comparing styles or anything, just the hype factor for the horse to run up the track like CV.

hockey2315 · #28 05-05-2008, 03:10 PM

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I wasnt comparing styles or anything, just the hype factor for the horse to run up the track like CV.

Still not even remotely close to a valid comparison

ateamstupid · #29 05-05-2008, 03:14 PM

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Im glad you saw that I was impressed with that. My tears were for the Joy of BB winning. Idiot.

You said that Big Brown broke down Eight Belles, and I'm the idiot. LOL.

kgar311 · #30 05-05-2008, 03:16 PM

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Still not even remotely close to a valid comparison

So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

kgar311 · #31 05-05-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You said that Big Brown broke down Eight Belles, and I'm the idiot. LOL.

I said the fact that he was pulling away from a horse that got the perefct trip and was running out of her shoes impressed me, not the fact he broke her down, that was the by-product of him being so good and her going after him.

hockey2315 · #32 05-05-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

So what are you saying Court Vision got no hype on DT going into the Derby??? Would you like me to pull up all the threads???

How does one hype horse who hadn't broken a 90 Beyer in his 6 race career and was 5th(?) in the betting in a 20 horse field compare to a horse who continues to improve and has already earned a 106 and will probably be second choice in the betting in a much smaller Preakness field?

And was Court Vision the only horse who got (undeserved) hype here or anywhere else going into the derby?

hockey2315 · #33 05-05-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I said the fact that he was pulling away from a horse that got the perefct trip and was running out of her shoes impressed me, not the fact he broke her down, that was the by-product of him being so good and her going after him.

And that makes no f$%*^&# sense. . .

reese · #34 05-05-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I stopped reading after this comment.

I'm assuming I didn't miss much.

That makes two of us.

I THOUGHT this site had knowledgeable racing fans.

Wrong!!!! Clueless like the rest.

kgar311 · #35 05-05-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by reese

That makes two of us.

I THOUGHT this site had knowledgeable racing fans.

Wrong!!!! Clueless like the rest.

Well reese I guess were not so beat it

kgar311 · #36 05-05-2008, 03:32 PM

Here we go, get used to this reese, classic Dt'ers feeling all warm and cuddly ganging up on someone so they can feel better about their pitiful lives. You'll fit right in.

kgar311 · #37 05-05-2008, 03:34 PM

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And that makes no f$%*^&# sense. . .

Whats not to understand, sorry about your low IQ, theres plenty of higher learning establishments here in the us. Im sure Univ. of Phoenix is right up your alley

SniperSB23 · #38 05-05-2008, 03:34 PM

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Here we go, get used to this reese, classic Dt'ers feeling all warm and cuddly ganging up on someone so they can feel better about their pitiful lives. You'll fit right in.

Yeah, I didn't see that coming when you compared Harlem Rocker to Court Vision.

kgar311 · #39 05-05-2008, 03:36 PM

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Yeah, I didn't see that coming when you compared Harlem Rocker to Court Vision.

Ill just be sure to come back to this thread when Harlem Rocker is a non factor in the Preakness.

SCUDSBROTHER · #40 05-05-2008, 04:04 PM

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And you are right anything can happen in a race but I just cant get over the fact that NOBODY on this site can give credit where credit is due.

You're not talking to people that have problems giving out credit.I just think it's very difficult to know who to give the credit to.So,if this horse isn't getting the credit you'd like to see,then it's because a lot of us have no idea how good he is.I can't say that another trainer would have got him to run this well.I can't say he is doing this on his own.I don't know.If you want to see a horse get full props then people need to be pretty sure he is doing it all on his own. Many people have doubts about that.They are skeptical of it.This is the price someone pays when they have multi suspensions for breaking the rules.Nobody knows how good his horse actually is.Do I know how good Benny the Bull,Kip Deville,and Big Brown really are? No,sorry, I don't know that.Given these 3 horses,would any other trainer have the country's best turf miler,sprinter,and 3 year old? Would Diamond Stripes have had that extra reserve energy to come back(after being easily passed in the stretch) and win the Godoplhin Mile?Would another trainer been able to get Big Brown to win with the 20th post in the Derby,and the 12 post at Gulfstream? If your answer is yes,then give Big Brown the credit.If your like many here(with doubts about it,)then we honestly don't have any idea how much credit to give the horse.You're asking us to give credit,and we don't know where it goes.