Eight Belles form

[10 pnt move up]

There are just certain trainers we see this with constantly in the midwest and east coast........I honestly dont recall a figure jump like this in socal at the stakes level? DrugS do you?

[horseofcourse]

I mentioned Lawyer Ron...here are his first 6 races...

53, 55, 49, 83, 78, 78

then his next 6 pre-Derby

92, 97, 106, 95, 94, 98.

Same trainer, zero layoff. He also did suffer a minor injury in the Derby I believe.

I guess he could be explained away by his first 6 were on turf or poly and his second 6 all on dirt. (Actually his 83 was on a muddy dirt.). But I would certainly say a big change in form without question. I don't think his first 6 are stating future eclipse winner however. But you actually have TWO jumps in form from his first 3 to his second 3...then from those 3 to his next 6. You go from average low 50s his first 3 to average around 80 his next three to average in the high 90s his next 6.

Don't young horses often just improve sometimes with no layoff as this one did twice??

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The only form reversal Lawyer Ron showed was he was MUCH better on dirt than poly or turf. His first dirt race he ran a 83 and then his next dirt race he ran a 92. Hardly a huge reversal, however compared to his turf or poly numbers it might look that way.

Yep, Lawyer Ron couldn't get out of his own way in his synthetic track races early on.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yep, Lawyer Ron couldn't get out of his own way in his synthetic track races early on.

your PM box is full dude

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

your PM box is full dude

He PMs himself to stash away porn links he doesn't want his parents to see.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I E-mail my parents porn links for the fun of it.

I am not ashamed.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He PMs himself to stash away porn links he doesn't want his parents to see.

GREAT IDEA..

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The only form reversal Lawyer Ron showed was he was MUCH better on dirt than poly or turf. His first dirt race he ran a 83 and then his next dirt race he ran a 92. Hardly a huge reversal, however compared to his turf or poly numbers it might look that way.

His form jump when staying on grass or poly was more significant...he ran around 50s his first 3 then around 80 his next 3. He was running around 80 on turf after his dirt race compared to the low 50s. He improved 15-20 lengths on turf/poly...more than his improvement going from turf to dirt. He showed a significant form increase. I said it can be all explained away by anything. You can pick and choose any numbers that exist to defend any stance you want to take on Eight Belle's improvement.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Now I know what Morty feels like.

Geez. I'm simply not sure of the DrugS point here. Young horses improve significantly all the time. I'm not quite sure how unusual significant form jumps are in young horses...and he showed one of them...BEFORE going to all dirt racing.

summation...

LR

first 3 1 turf/2 poly...low 50s
2nd 3 1 mud/2 turf...80
next 6 dirt...high 90s.

[sumitas]

There should be an autopsy performed on 8 Belles. With toxicology tests.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by sumitas

There should be an autopsy performed on 8 Belles. With toxicology tests.

I don't know that will happen. But you did remind me of a great "Quincy, M.E." episode called, I believe, When Luck Runs Out where a horse Quincy bet on (and cashed!) drops dead an hour later. And, yes, Quincy did utter, "I don't think this horse died of natural causes." Perhaps the PETA Directors are watching that episode today.

[sumitas]

And maybe we all viewed this Kentucky Derby.