Wow, how much is Dutrow wagering the first Saturday in May?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by philcski

the difference is Arazi was a spectacular 2YO and a mediocre 3YO, who was attempting a 1-prep (on turf, on another continent) shot on the Derby. If you're going to use a recent comparison I think Bellamy Road might be fair, but Big Brown has a lot more going for him than BR did.

Really, not too much...both ran huge races just before the Derby. Big Brown looks more suspect in the long run on dirt. Turf may be his future.

[blackthroatedwind]

Big Brown ran a " huge race? "

Was I out of the country? When did this " huge race " occur and at what track? Last I remember he ran a very nice race against a horrendous field at Gulfstream that was only considered relatively fast because this year's 3YOs are slower than molassis. Has he run another race since?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Big Brown ran a " huge race? "

Was I out of the country? When did this " huge race " occur and at what track? Last I remember he ran a very nice race against a horrendous field at Gulfstream that was only considered relatively fast because this year's 3YOs are slower than molassis. Has he run another race since?

Exactly.....hope he takes all the money. He won't be on none of my tickets.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Big Brown ran a " huge race? "

Was I out of the country? When did this " huge race " occur and at what track? Last I remember he ran a very nice race against a horrendous field at Gulfstream that was only considered relatively fast because this year's 3YOs are slower than molassis. Has he run another race since?

And for drawing the far outside post, things weren't exactly really difficult for him. It's not like he was three-wide the whole way. And I don't buy this "he outran everyone" stuff. No one attempted to run with him, so basically, he had it all his own way.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

And for drawing the far outside post, things weren't exactly really difficult for him. It's not like he was three-wide the whole way. And I don't buy this "he outran everyone" stuff. No one attempted to run with him, so basically, he had it all his own way.

Nistle's Crunch totally ran off with the blinkers and would have more than ran with him if Julian hadn't resorted to a choke hold.

With Georgie Boy gone, who's run individual races even remotely as good as Big Brown?

People are playing pretend with themselves if they don't think Big Brown goes into the Derby as by far the best horse.

The reason to not like Big Brown's Derby chances is because he's a very poor fit for the race style wise.

I can't even imagine how far out there people have to be to think there is another horse who's best race is as good as his best race.

I'm very excited to bet Pyro - but he has no individual race that rates competitively with any of Big Brown's.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nistle's Crunch totally ran off with the blinkers and would have more than ran with him if Julian hadn't resorted to a choke hold.

With Georgie Boy gone, who's run individual races even remotely as good as Big Brown?

People are playing pretend with themselves if they don't think Big Brown goes into the Derby as by far the best horse.

The reason to not like Big Brown's Derby chances is because he's a very poor fit for the race style wise.

I can't even imagine how far out there people have to be to think there is another horse who's best race is as good as his best race.
I'm very excited to bet Pyro - but he has no individual race that rates competitively with any of Big Brown's.

Im probaly gonna end up betting Pyro, as well, Im just not that excited about it.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

And for drawing the far outside post, things weren't exactly really difficult for him. It's not like he was three-wide the whole way. And I don't buy this "he outran everyone" stuff. No one attempted to run with him, so basically, he had it all his own way.

jeez, you guys are ruining it. let the suckers jump on the bandwagon. most of the people that put this horse on top bet once a year or are not following the kentucky derby over the years. or what happens to alot of people that are betting their money, they read the hype and become "fans". the only horse i am a fan of is one that makes me money at a fair price. big brown ain't it !

[Cannon Shell]

I believe that the writer of the story may have taken some literary license in suggesting that BB winning the Derby automatically will have him commanding 100k at stud. Or that Kip DeVille or Benny the Bull will be big time stallions.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that the writer of the story may have taken some literary license in suggesting that BB winning the Derby automatically will have him commanding 100k at stud. Or that Kip DeVille or Benny the Bull will be big time stallions.

With 150 mares lining up to breed him.

[Danzig]

they compared his potential to smarty jones...but i would take the line that boundary (pensioned btw) is no elusive quality. a horse winning the derby does not automatically equal a 100k stud fee. just ask giacomo or street sense.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or that Kip DeVille or Benny the Bull will be big time stallions.

I didn't bother reading the story....

But did they really say that?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I didn't bother reading the story....

But did they really say that?

Hey, don't underestimate how much sons of Kipling or Lucky Lionel are in high demand...

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Hey, don't underestimate how much sons of Kipling or Lucky Lionel are in high demand...

Yeah - true sire of sires they are.

[whodey17]

This tells me that trainers are over paid.

[jpops757]

BBs Fla Derby was against slow horses yet one of these is the most prepared and ready to beat him. How can you justify"the sheets" that says this? the same posters that knock BB use his fla derby race to flatter Smoth Air. I guess this proves that you can use facts and distort them to mean anything you want. Kip Deville ptobably hasnt become a 100k stud but Kipling has doubled his value.

[HaloWishingwell]

Just in defense of ARAZI, don't crap on the horse. He was finished once they took him across the ocean and the finishing touch was the knee surgery at the end of his two year old year.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that the writer of the story may have taken some literary license in suggesting that BB winning the Derby automatically will have him commanding 100k at stud. Or that Kip DeVille or Benny the Bull will be big time stallions.

Isn't Big Brown significantly "inbred" for a top notch stallion? I might agree that $30 Mil for BB if he wins the Derby might be realistic, but I think $100k at stud is a little much...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Isn't Big Brown significantly "inbred" for a top notch stallion? I might agree that $30 Mil for BB if he wins the Derby might be realistic, but I think $100k at stud is a little much...

if he won't command six figures, he can't sell for 30 million-how would the breeder earn his money back? farms want to 'get out' after just a few years-usually before the 2 yo's start running, since they might not be that fast, and demand will drop like a stone for a sire with slow progeny.