War Pass out with fracture

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Recapturetheglory is very fast?

He sure is. 2nd fastest dirt beyer in the Kentucky Derby field. His doesn't have blazing speed but he has solid early speed and he can stay. Horse is improving and is very dangerous if he gets loose on the lead, which he shouldn't, but if you got a triple digit beyer and you are improving....

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

He sure is. 2nd fastest dirt beyer in the Kentucky Derby field. His doesn't have blazing speed but he has solid early speed and he can stay. Horse is improving and is very dangerous if he gets loose on the lead, which he shouldn't, but if you got a triple digit beyer and you are improving....

Do you watch many races at Hawthorne?

[hockey2315]

Anyone else think we'd be more likely to see him back at some point if the Breeder's Cup wasn't being run on synthetic?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Anyone else think we'd be more likely to see him back at some point if the Breeder's Cup wasn't being run on synthetic?

No

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you watch many races at Hawthorne?

I remember hearing the same thing about War Emblem and he did it at sportsman's park which had an even worse bias.

The fact is he has a 102 beyer and destroyed 2 solid horses. He is a fast animal.

You can also argue that Gulfstream Park is a speed favoring track. I don't hear anyone saying Big Brown isn't a fast animal.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

You can also argue that Gulfstream Park is a speed favoring track. I don't hear anyone saying Big Brown isn't a fast animal.

Hmmmmm.....interesting point.
I think that might be because Big Brown is a quality stakes horse and Recapturetheglory stinks.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Hmmmmm.....interesting point.
I think that might be because Big Brown is a quality stakes horse and Recapturetheglory stinks.

First of all Recapturetheglory doesn't stink. Not only is he an improving horse with a 102 beyer but as a 2yr old he ran a solid race at Churchill finishing second to Cool Coal Man, who is a very nice dirt horse, winning the Fountain of Youth beating Monba, Court Vision, and Adriano.

Recapture is also a seasoned horse that will be making his 3rd start off the layoff.

I won't be betting Recapture but he is a fast horse that will be a huge pace factor. If a horse like BB goes with him he likely will not be there at the end.

As for Big Brown, he is a quality stakes horse but he still only has won at Gulfstream Park, unless you count a turf race. He also will have no work over the track, so the "quality" stakes horse still has yet to prove he is anything more than a horse for the course, just like you are saying about Recapture.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you watch many races at Hawthorne?

The pace propelled him to victory, not some rail or speed bias on Illinois Derby day. There wasn't one.

[Mike]

Are we all sure Recapturetheglory needs the lead? I may be hoping he can lay off the pace when the big day comes, but this War Pass withdrawal does help Big Brown and will prevent that 3-1 someone mentioned might be possible for him

[johnny pinwheel]

always felt this horse had distance limitations anyway. zito should be smarter than me so i won't question that. but these super "fast" horses rarely win at classic distances any way. hows big brown supposed to be helped ? i see him as the same kind of animal, plus you already know hes got problems .

[the_fat_man]

Yet another example of a what will prove to be a popular thread that is not directly about handicapping.

While it's unfortunate that the horse broke down, he wasn't winning the Derby.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yet another example of a what will prove to be a popular thread that is not directly about handicapping.

While it's unfortunate that the horse broke down, he wasn't winning the Derby.

Most of this board isn't about handicapping. The Paddock isn't Selections, nor Triple Crown Archives. Room for anything related to horse racing at Steve's house.

For the critics of Recapturetheglory who say he is not fast. He has the second fastest dirt beyer and second fastest rag out of all 3yr old dirt efforts.

Big Brown's Best Beyer 106
Recapturetheglory 102.

Big Brown's best Rag 2
Recapturetheglory best rag 4.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

For the critics of Recapturetheglory who say he is not fast. He has the second fastest dirt beyer and second fastest rag out of all 3yr old dirt efforts.

Big Brown's Best Beyer 106
Recapturetheglory 102.

Big Brown's best Rag 2
Recapturetheglory best rag 4.

thanks for bringing these facts to light, its looks like you've really done your research.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

For the critics of Recapturetheglory who say he is not fast. He has the second fastest dirt beyer and second fastest rag out of all 3yr old dirt efforts.

Big Brown's Best Beyer 106
Recapturetheglory 102.

Big Brown's best Rag 2
Recapturetheglory best rag 4.

Listen, the bottom line is that the colt has no chance to win the race and only about a 0.0000001% chance of hitting the board. In a race with very few tosses, he is absolutely one of them.
The colt is 2 for 2 lifetime on the Hawthorne strip and 0 for 4 everywhere else. You can cite all of the BSFs you want too, but with the kind of trip he got in the Illinois Derby, it sure means a lot less than it otherwise would. I hope you know that there is absolutely no way he'll run a 102 going 10f at CD. He'll be lucky to top 90.
At this point I don't think I'll be betting on Big Brown either, but comparing him to Recapturetheglory is a little nutty in my opinion.

[hi_im_god]

illinois derby gets an inflated beyer every year and then the winner takes up space in the churchill gate and somehow turns into a goat when it opens.

this horse isn't war emblem, he's cowtown cat.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No he's not.

Sorry. I like to make my opinions based on facts. His 102 beyer in a race where the two horses that ran behind him ran their usual mid 90's beyers, makes me believe he is a fast horse. Facts are facts.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Sorry. I like to make my opinions based on facts. His 102 beyer in a race where the two horses that ran behind him ran their usual mid 90's beyers, makes me believe he is a fast horse. Facts are facts.

the track was a conveyor belt. the race was over at the first turn. There is more to horse racing than speed figures.

[AeWingnut]

sorry War Pass is injured. That is never a good thing.

So... who gets in that wasn't?

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

the track was a conveyor belt. the race was over at the first turn. There is more to horse racing than speed figures.

There is more to horse racing but not more to determining if a horse is fast or not. Recapturetheglory is a fast horse and if Big Brown bumped heads with him early you could kiss both of them goodbye. If I was BB I would rather have War Pass in the derby than not have him in there. If Bob doesn't take to the dirt a horse like Recapture could be out there all alone.