War Pass out with fracture

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Steve was just saying the other day how few have dropped out compared to most years......advantage Big Brown with one pace pressure gone (hey that's my opinion).

Spyder

Pretty hard to see how it favors Big Brown. If he doesn't rate he doesn't win. Doesn't matter how many horses are on the lead, all you know is you don't want to be there. With Bob Black Jack (109 beyer) in there along with Recapturetheglory (102 beyer) you have two very fast horses that want the lead, both of which have proven they are fast animals but neither looks like they can take it 10f with a quick pace. Horses like Big Brown and Gayego must sit off the pace no matter who is in there or they will be cooked. Churchill Downs is not the front running biased Gulfstream.

The bad thing about War Pass not running is he was going to take a ton of money for a horse that had absolutely zero chance of winning.

[geof]

The Wood was run 2 races after my horse broke down. I think the track had something to do with it. It was deep and the front end was colapsing. They cacelled racing the day before and were working overtime to get it ready for Saturday.........

[Thunder Gulch]

I suspect we've seen the last of War Pass on the track. With races getting longer this year and the 2yo trophy at home, it seems rather unlikely they would even try to get him back.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I suspect we've seen the last of War Pass on the track. With races getting longer this year and the 2yo trophy at home, it seems rather unlikely they would even try to get him back.

agreed..the article above basically said as much

And this horse’s injury isn’t nearly as several as Brass Hat. So they can come back.

Whether or not he could or would, I don’t know. I kind of doubt very seriously if they will because he’s got such tremendous value as a stallion.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I suspect we've seen the last of War Pass on the track. With races getting longer this year and the 2yo trophy at home, it seems rather unlikely they would even try to get him back.

Huh?
I agree that he probably won't be back, but what do you mean by the races getting longer this year? Did I miss something?
Has the 7f King's Bishop been transformed into a 12f prep for the BC marathon?
Is the 8f "Met Mile" now the "Met Five Mile?"
Is the 8.5f Dwyer now a steeplechase event?

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Huh?
I agree that he probably won't be back, but what do you mean by the races getting longer this year? Did I miss something?
Has the 7f King's Bishop been transformed into a 12f prep for the BC marathon?
Is the 8f "Met Mile" now the "Met Five Mile?"
Is the 8.5f Dwyer now a steeplechase event?

OK, the ones that could actually improve his value. He's proven he can mile, but he needs to stretch on out to improve his value in the shed.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Huh?
I agree that he probably won't be back, but what do you mean by the races getting longer this year? Did I miss something?
Has the 7f King's Bishop been transformed into a 12f prep for the BC marathon?
Is the 8f "Met Mile" now the "Met Five Mile?"
Is the 8.5f Dwyer now a steeplechase event?

The Dwyer has basically become a grade 2 race that nobody cares about. The Met Mile means he has to face older horses. The King's Bishop is a nice race if you need a grade 1, but he doesn't. There is no race he can win this year that will increase his value at stud. He is by Cherokee Run. Everybody already knows he is essentially an 8f horse.

This is basically a call to be made by Lane's End. Highly unlikely LaPenta is interested in winning anything left on the table for this horse.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

The Dwyer has basically become a grade 2 race that nobody cares about. The Met Mile means he has to face older horses. The King's Bishop is a nice race if you need a grade 1, but he doesn't. There is no race he can win this year that will increase his value at stud. He is by Cherokee Run. Everybody already knows he is essentially an 8f horse.

This is basically a call to be made by Lane's End. Highly unlikely LaPenta is interested in winning anything left on the table for this horse.

Wow.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Recapturetheglory is very fast?

He sure is. 2nd fastest dirt beyer in the Kentucky Derby field. His doesn't have blazing speed but he has solid early speed and he can stay. Horse is improving and is very dangerous if he gets loose on the lead, which he shouldn't, but if you got a triple digit beyer and you are improving....

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

He sure is. 2nd fastest dirt beyer in the Kentucky Derby field. His doesn't have blazing speed but he has solid early speed and he can stay. Horse is improving and is very dangerous if he gets loose on the lead, which he shouldn't, but if you got a triple digit beyer and you are improving....

Do you watch many races at Hawthorne?

[hockey2315]

Anyone else think we'd be more likely to see him back at some point if the Breeder's Cup wasn't being run on synthetic?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Anyone else think we'd be more likely to see him back at some point if the Breeder's Cup wasn't being run on synthetic?

No

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you watch many races at Hawthorne?

I remember hearing the same thing about War Emblem and he did it at sportsman's park which had an even worse bias.

The fact is he has a 102 beyer and destroyed 2 solid horses. He is a fast animal.

You can also argue that Gulfstream Park is a speed favoring track. I don't hear anyone saying Big Brown isn't a fast animal.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

You can also argue that Gulfstream Park is a speed favoring track. I don't hear anyone saying Big Brown isn't a fast animal.

Hmmmmm.....interesting point.
I think that might be because Big Brown is a quality stakes horse and Recapturetheglory stinks.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Hmmmmm.....interesting point.
I think that might be because Big Brown is a quality stakes horse and Recapturetheglory stinks.

First of all Recapturetheglory doesn't stink. Not only is he an improving horse with a 102 beyer but as a 2yr old he ran a solid race at Churchill finishing second to Cool Coal Man, who is a very nice dirt horse, winning the Fountain of Youth beating Monba, Court Vision, and Adriano.

Recapture is also a seasoned horse that will be making his 3rd start off the layoff.

I won't be betting Recapture but he is a fast horse that will be a huge pace factor. If a horse like BB goes with him he likely will not be there at the end.

As for Big Brown, he is a quality stakes horse but he still only has won at Gulfstream Park, unless you count a turf race. He also will have no work over the track, so the "quality" stakes horse still has yet to prove he is anything more than a horse for the course, just like you are saying about Recapture.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you watch many races at Hawthorne?

The pace propelled him to victory, not some rail or speed bias on Illinois Derby day. There wasn't one.

[Mike]

Are we all sure Recapturetheglory needs the lead? I may be hoping he can lay off the pace when the big day comes, but this War Pass withdrawal does help Big Brown and will prevent that 3-1 someone mentioned might be possible for him

[johnny pinwheel]

always felt this horse had distance limitations anyway. zito should be smarter than me so i won't question that. but these super "fast" horses rarely win at classic distances any way. hows big brown supposed to be helped ? i see him as the same kind of animal, plus you already know hes got problems .

[the_fat_man]

Yet another example of a what will prove to be a popular thread that is not directly about handicapping.

While it's unfortunate that the horse broke down, he wasn't winning the Derby.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yet another example of a what will prove to be a popular thread that is not directly about handicapping.

While it's unfortunate that the horse broke down, he wasn't winning the Derby.

Most of this board isn't about handicapping. The Paddock isn't Selections, nor Triple Crown Archives. Room for anything related to horse racing at Steve's house.