Can someone explain the Colonel John silliness to me?

[the_fat_man]

Silliness is looking at someone else's figures and assuming they're comprehensive. Try to formulate an opinion of a horse without thinking in terms of Beyers. Bet you can't.

This is very typical in the presently dominating IMPLANT mode of handicapping.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Silliness is looking at someone else's figures and assuming they're comprehensive. Try to formulate an opinion of a horse without thinking in terms of Beyers. Bet you can't.

This is very typical in the presently dominating IMPLANT mode of handicapping.

Fat Man 10,000% correct.

Imagine what the resume of the guy who makes Beyer or Bris, etc,... figs for your track looks like. Chances are he ain't matriculated from MIT.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They don't need to be.

I think a computer makes the BRIS figs...and it's not like people don't question a lot of figures that aren't cut and dry and straight forward.

It's rarely wise to just neglect how fast a horse has been running.

[Charismatic1]

Just off the top of my head...

Tiz Wonderful - 2 time graded stakes winner at Churchill where Tiznow won the Classic.
Folklore - Champion 2yo filly (all on dirt). BC Juvy Fils and Matron won at Belmont, where her daddy won the Classic.

Tiznow clearly struggles to get top class dirt horses, especially at places where he succeeded.

[slotdirt]

Could it not be possible that Tiznow is potentially a pretty versatile sire whose runners are apt on a variety of different surfaces? I don't think that's entirely implausible.