Cigar's maiden win...

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owOAX2jiy2c

Basically, he breaks very slow and is rushed up into a pace battle through fast fractions - nicely wins that battle - and stays on to score a victory with a Beyer figure almost identical to what fellow 3yo Prairie Bayou got for winning the Preakness the following week.

He ran his next 11 races on the turf - where he managed just one win - an N1X alw race.

Really clever management if you ask me.

Didn't his breeding scream turf? And even Mott had little success before trying dirt again.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Cigar had a turf sire.

His dam Solar Slew sold for over 500K at the California March 2yo in training sale (what is now called Barretts March) - paying over a half a million at a 2yo sale for a filly back at that time (1984) was almost entirely unheard of.

Solar Slew was a total bust on the track though - going 7-0-1-1 and making less than 6K in earnings.

Cigar's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dam were all bred and raced in South America. All the turf breeding was from the sire.

I wonder how many other horses run dirt Beyers in the 90's in career start #2 inspite of a troubled trip - and get put on the turf for there next 11 starts inspite of little success?

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Cigar had a turf sire.

His dam Solar Slew sold for over 500K at the California March 2yo in training sale (what is now called Barretts March) - paying over a half a million at a 2yo sale for a filly back at that time (1984) was almost entirely unheard of.

Solar Slew was a total bust on the track though - going 7-0-1-1 and making less than 6K in earnings.

Cigar's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dam were all bred and raced in South America. All the turf breeding was from the sire.

I wonder how many other horses run dirt Beyers in the 90's in career start #2 inspite of a troubled trip - and get put on the turf for there next 11 starts inspite of little success?

Okay. I don't have his lifetime PPs in front of me, but didn't Mott run him on the grass three or four times before trying dirt again? I guess whatever prompted Hassinger to keep trying the turf also persuaded Mott to do the same, at least initially. If even Mott didn't pick up on this right away, it seems a bit harsh to say he was mismanaged.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

I guess whatever prompted Hassinger to keep trying the turf also persuaded Mott to do the same

Stupidity?

Mott ran him four times on the turf after Hassinger, he ran Beyers of 77, 86, 76, and 79 in those four turf races.

Mike Smith rode him three week after his final turf start - he set a 44 3/5th pace and won by 8 - Bailey got on him the following month and he won the NYRA Mile by 7 lengths at 9/1 odds with a 115 Beyer.

Cigar actually won 17 dirt races in a row. The first win and the 2nd win of those 17 straight coming more than 18 months apart.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stupidity?

Ouch! You're a man of strong opinions.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

We all do stupid things from time to time.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

We all do stupid things from time to time.

Thought for sure this thread would include pretty colored pictures with boxes drawn in, arrows pointing in 10 different directions.


Clearly the upcoming battle with Hossy has affected your sanity.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stupidity?

Mott ran him four times on the turf after Hassinger, he ran Beyers of 77, 86, 76, and 79 in those four turf races.

Mike Smith rode him three week after his final turf start - he set a 44 3/5th pace and won by 8 - Bailey got on him the following month and he won the NYRA Mile by 7 lengths at 9/1 odds with a 115 Beyer.

Cigar actually won 17 dirt races in a row. The first win and the 2nd win of those 17 straight coming more than 18 months apart.

In Bailey's book, he mentioned how he always thought Cigar had talent but couldn't figure out why that didn't translate that into wins.

One night he had to leave for the Meadowlands to ride a horse that night missing Cigar's win on dirt, when he came in the next day he asked Mike any good one's you ride after I left? Smith said yeah Cigar won...that's as close to paraphrasing that paragraph as my memory will allow...

Obcourse Bailey got on him right after that when Smith decided to ride Devil is Due in the now Cigar Mile. The rest as they say is history.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's a little interesting that they added lasix for the first time when he made his turf debut just two weeks after that big dirt win.

Perhaps he even bled a tiny bit in the dirt win.

That dirt MSW win was just a HUGE performance though! In a 6f sprint, he gets left, is rushed up into a speed duel through sharp middle fractions, fractures his sharp breaking pace rival into total defeat, and stays on to win with a big figure while a next out winner who sucked up for 2nd couldn't close the final margin to any less than 2.25 lengths.

That was just his 2nd lifetime start, and it was off of a 2.5 month layoff. And it's not like he had to be a sprinter - his sire's sire won the Epsom Derby at 12f's and his dam sire swept the American Triple Crown series.

Performances like that are very rare among lightly raced horses.