Tomcito !!!

It would be nice if the powers that be change jcs' name back to POINTGIVEN1985.

[slotdirt]

Sheerly out of curiosity, has anybody ever seen any of Tomcito's races back in Peru?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sheerly out of curiosity, has anybody ever seen any of Tomcito's races back in Peru?

Of course not. I don't need to see any of his races to know he's got a legitimate shot of winning the Derby. Three syllables...man.

[slotdirt]

Pantsy, you're speaking to the choir. This will clearly be the reason for Big Brown's downfall. (That and the incredible lack of foundation, but I digress)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yes - they are on YouTube.

I've also looked at the charts and final times of other races on the card the days he ran - he was not exactly running alarmingly fast times over there in Peru in relation to other dirt races on the card.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - they are on YouTube.

I've also looked at the charts and final times of other races on the card the days he ran - he was not exactly running alarmingly fast times over there in Peru in relation to other dirt races on the card.

Thanks for this analysis of Tomcito's South American races. It's often a complete guess as to these Grade I races, some do come up here and gel

[miraja2]

He has only run one race over here and that was off of a pretty long layoff. He ran a respectable third there but was generally uninspiring.
Overall I thought his performance at Gulfstream was decent enough given the circumstances and I could see him being a potential horse to use on the bottom of exotics if he makes it to the Derby.
I think it is just too early to say whether he will be a claimer or a stakes winner over here yet, and unfortunately we won't really learn anything about his dirt ability in the Lexington. If he does make it to the Derby, I couldn't fault people for including him on deep tickets.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

He has only run one race over here and that was off of a pretty long layoff. He ran a respectable third there but was generally uninspiring.
Overall I thought his performance at Gulfstream was decent enough given the circumstances and I could see him being a potential horse to use on the bottom of exotics if he makes it to the Derby.
I think it is just too early to say whether he will be a claimer or a stakes winner over here yet, and unfortunately we won't really learn anything about his dirt ability in the Lexington. If he does make it to the Derby, I couldn't fault people for including him on deep tickets.

Pretty much.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sheerly out of curiosity, has anybody ever seen any of Tomcito's races back in Peru?

I saw one on YouTube once.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sheerly out of curiosity, has anybody ever seen any of Tomcito's races back in Peru?

Here's one...


http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...hlight=tomcito

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Here's one...


http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...hlight=tomcito

that was impressive IMO...i mean he was only 2, beating olders... do are horses ever do that here ?

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who was behind him? Doesn't that sort of factor into things a bit? I mean if War Pass ran at Beulah park, wouldn't he look impressive?

Of course War Pass would look better at Beulah, but Beulah horses do not hit the board in G1 races, period ...
While it is hard to assess Peruvian G1s, traditionally South American horses of graded caliber there have done well here ...
Tomcito is the only horse to have run in and won G1 races at 10 and 12 furlongs ... He stays the course ....
His speed and class were questionable, and his first here off a layoff was acceptable but not inspiring ...
As far as his speed, he runs like a tilted Cuisinart, but he works faster than these bums do---and perhaps faster than they race ... Three furlongs in 34 and change ???? An ordinary six furlong work finishing the last eighth in 11 and change ???? The speed is there ...
I remain interested in this guy, both for his Cinderella story---bought for 7 grandish---the foreign intrigue, the fact that he stays, and these gaudy works ...
This year's lot of Derby horses are all vulnerable for various reasons ... And it is undeniable that they are generally slow and have no true finishing kick ... Nor do most look like anything over a mile and an eighth--to be generous---is anything but a stretch ...
Tomcito, IMO, is worthy of, at least, consideration ...

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He hit the board because he passed a bunch of tired horses, period. I've never seen such praise for a horse beaten double digit lengths. He's working fast? We all know that always transers to the afternoons, right? Sorry the whole Cinderella story isn't as interesting to me, because when I wager my money I try not to let ridiculous things like that cloud my thinking. Good luck with him.

Don't you think it is at least possible that he will move forward off of his start in the Florida Derby given the fact that it was his first off a layoff? Sure he passed a lot of tired horses at Gulfstream, but there will probably be a lot of tired horses in Louisville (and in future 10f races) too. Who knows if he'll even make it to that race, but there are always a lot of horses nearly walking in the final furlong of the Derby, and it doesn't seem at all likely that he will be one of those.
At this point he is certainly an unlikely winner, but I think his Florida Derby performance might be slightly better than many are giving him credit for. If he takes a step forward off of that race - which certainly seems possible - I don't see why he might not be at least a contender for a minor share.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Don't you think it is at least possible that he will move forward off of his start in the Florida Derby given the fact that it was his first off a layoff? Sure he passed a lot of tired horses at Gulfstream, but there will probably be a lot of tired horses in Louisville (and in future 10f races) too. Who knows if he'll even make it to that race, but there are always a lot of horses nearly walking in the final furlong of the Derby, and it doesn't seem at all likely that he will be one of those.
At this point he is certainly an unlikely winner, but I think his Florida Derby performance might be slightly better than many are giving him credit for. If he takes a step forward off of that race - which certainly seems possible - I don't see why he might not be at least a contender for a minor share.

Those are also my beliefs ... And you aren't kidding that there will be a lot of tired horses in the Derby---we have already seen the stagger fest at 9furlongs .... And those sparkling nearly 14 second last eighths ...
Since I do not bet, I can amuse myself without financial consideration .... And I definately see him as a contender, and would love to see him stay on past the pretenders to a victory ... I believe he will be sharper nextout--he needs to be ...
I am old enough to remember the same claptrap spewed over Canonero II ... It was a somewhat similar story---a somewhat similar ending would be amusing and satisfying at least to me, wagering aside ...