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Old 04-16-2008, 09:13 AM
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and he wonders why everyone thinks he's an idiot.
Someone will talk him out of it, although, personally, I would love it, because it again dwindles my choices even more and more.....
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:03 AM
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Not entirely correct or wrong. Romans explained that Halo Najib is the targeted Derby horse. But, Massive Drama could possibly run if Halo Najib were to get pushed out on earnings.
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:14 AM
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Not entirely correct or wrong. Romans explained that Halo Najib is the targeted Derby horse. But, Massive Drama could possibly run if Halo Najib were to get pushed out on earnings. Said Massive Drama doing very well since return from Dubai.
i like massive drama a lot... cashed on him his maiden win, exacta with tiz it i think.... but anyway....

would he have any chance at all in the derby ?
i'd say no way
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:46 AM
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i like massive drama a lot... cashed on him his maiden win, exacta with tiz it i think.... but anyway....

would he have any chance at all in the derby ?
i'd say no way
^^^ "moment of clarity".
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:48 AM
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^^^ "moment of clarity".
Emphasize "moment".
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:00 PM
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Zayat's handling of Massive Drama ranks second to only the connections of Denis of Cork as worst handling of a Derby prospect. Massive Drama could be an okay sprinter. Instead he decides to send him to Dubai, where he is trounced and now he is under consideration for the Derby? Good idea.
I actually had no problem with the way Denis Of Cork was handled at all.

They put the horse in what they believed to be the race that represented the path of least resistance - he was an odds on favorite in a Grade 2 stake with a 500K purse after all.

Could they have predicted a paceless race - with an outside post - over an inside-speed track beforehand?

I guess it was public knowledge that the pace setter after a 1/4 mile was run had 7 wins and 3 seconds in the 10 races on the '07 Illi Derby card - but that still didn't mean the track had to be like that again the following year.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:15 PM
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Just because it didn't work doesn't mean it was a bad idea.

I will never knock someone for putting their horse in the most logical lucrative spot.

How many softer spots for 500K will there ever be than the '08 Illi Derby?
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Old 04-16-2008, 02:47 PM
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So constantly changing your plan in an effort to baby the horse up to a 20 horse affair is a good plan of attack you think? Well it certainly worked. They might be on the outside looking in now.
Plans change at some point. I don't think they babied the horse at all. They felt the Illinois Derby was the most logically race. Why send him to New York to face War Pass, why send him to Oaklawn and face a 12 horse field. He raced in a Grade II that has produced some fine runners in the Derby. The plan didn't work out for them. It was a nice try and DofCork may get into the Derby. Time will only tell.
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:16 AM
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Halo Najib and Massive Drama, two horses solidly entrenched on my auto-toss list should they run in the derby.
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:17 AM
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Halo Najib and Massive Drama, two horses solidly entrenched on my auto-toss list should they run in the derby.
halo is the worst of the 2 in my opinion, but they both have to be throw outs, even to run 1-2-3-4, i doubt either of them can do anything
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Old 04-16-2008, 10:56 AM
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Not entirely correct or wrong. Romans explained that Halo Najib is the targeted Derby horse. But, Massive Drama could possibly run if Halo Najib were to get pushed out on earnings.
He has the semi-legit Z Fortune solidly in the field, no? I try not to root against guys like Zayat, who actually made his own money rather than being born into petrodollars, but he has a MASSIVE ego and it's frustrating to watch him micromanage his stock whereas if he left the choices up to the trainer he'd be doing far better (aka like he's done with his crack sprinter J Be K.)
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:16 PM
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He has the semi-legit Z Fortune solidly in the field, no? I try not to root against guys like Zayat, who actually made his own money rather than being born into petrodollars, but he has a MASSIVE ego and it's frustrating to watch him micromanage his stock whereas if he left the choices up to the trainer he'd be doing far better (aka like he's done with his crack sprinter J Be K.)

the other z.... z humor has a better chance then these 2
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:40 PM
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the other z.... z humor has a better chance then these 2
Remember Sharp Humor ? He was in great position in the first turn of the 06 KD. Then he broke his knee which ended his career. Churchill has received a lot of critcism over the years and ther are a lot of "dirt" horses that don't Likr the track. So we'll see.
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:51 PM
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Remember Sharp Humor ? He was in great position in the first turn of the 06 KD. Then he broke his knee which ended his career. Churchill has received a lot of critcism over the years and ther are a lot of "dirt" horses that don't Likr the track. So we'll see.
ENOUGH OF THE F*CKIN CHEAP SHOTS ON DIRT TRACKS. It didn't end his career, he came back and ran later that season. The shed took him away, not a catastrophic injury. I'd love to hear who you say criticizes the dirt at CD, because it's one of the best surfaces out there. Apparently you don't actually watch the races at Keeneland where no-talent horses win every other race thanks to the synthetic crap they installed there.
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:44 PM
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Z Humor could run a Sedgefield/Limehouse like 4th or 5th in the Derby with a pretty good trip just because he's a grinder and no one else is any good. I can't think of any scenario where Massive Drama wouldn't run 18th, 19th, or 20th, even with this awful group.
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:45 PM
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He has the semi-legit Z Fortune solidly in the field, no? I try not to root against guys like Zayat, who actually made his own money rather than being born into petrodollars, but he has a MASSIVE ego and it's frustrating to watch him micromanage his stock whereas if he left the choices up to the trainer he'd be doing far better (aka like he's done with his crack sprinter J Be K.)
Like the fine job the Pyro folks are doing..
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