Is Haskin joking?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not sure that Z Fortune ran a big top last out. He was pretty fast early in the year. I dont know how anyone can say BB's pattern is anything since he has run so infrequently to actually have a pattern

BB ran a negative 3 and half via Thorograph message board which is a huge top.

As for Z Fortune, his last race was a bounce off two pairs with good numbers. It would be my guess that Gayego is within that negative range or at least '1' thus making him a huge play against. If Gayego did run that big, then Z Fortune got back to his top in the Ark Derby, thus making him a real good play in the Derby.

[Scav]

Going with Monba is absolutely insane BUT I'll give Haskin credit, he sure as hell got us talking.

Monba's two big races were his maiden win, and now the Bluegrass, he is truly a synethic lover, try and watch the races next to each other(dirt vs synthetic) and see the difference in the way he runs.

[CSC]

Picking the Derby winner this year can no more amount to spinning the wheel and hoping it lands on your number, I give Haskin some credit for creativity. Beats picking Pyro or Big Brown.

Btw if Giacomo made no sense winning the derby I can't wait to this year. A total guess if you ask me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I give Haskin some credit for creativity. Beats picking Pyro or Big Brown.

Monba is regarded as Pletcher's best chance - and that alone will contribute to him being significantly overbet.

There are horses with better chances who will be bigger prices.

[jcs11204]

like cowboy cal and court vision

[The Indomitable DrugS]

No

[Travis Stone]

I think this thread further supports the notion this crop is crazy, wide-open and hard to figure.

Z Fortune could be cycling towards a new top. If the Oaklawn figure is a bit high (there was a dicussion about this), then he realistically could be cycling back to a new top.

The problem with these horses is when a horse does put in an good effort, people act as if they are allergic to it, because we have seen so many average races in the big events all spring long.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

according to my top secret figs..lol drf z fortune will end up around 12th

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Scav

Going with Monba is absolutely insane BUT I'll give Haskin credit, he sure as hell got us talking.

Monba's two big races were his maiden win, and now the Bluegrass, he is truly a synethic lover, try and watch the races next to each other (dirt vs synthetic) and see the difference in the way he runs.

This is incorrect or confused. The MDN win and Blue Grass both came at KEE... You may mean his ALW win at Churchill on closing day as a point of comparison of his dirt/poly form.

I would think a win at the Downs has merit in evaluating his Derby prospects...

And considering how individual flop races are being crossed out on several competitors' PP's during this Derby run-up, I don't know why Monba supporters couldn't cross out his difficult FOY and be happy with his credentials. He's not for me, but he's certainly as appealing as several others being supported on flimsier evidence.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

This is incorrect or confused. The MDN win and Blue Grass both came at KEE... You may mean his ALW win at Churchill on closing day as a point of comparison of his dirt/poly form.

I would think a win at the Downs has merit in evaluating his Derby prospects...

And considering how individual flop races are being crossed out on several competitors' PP's during this Derby run-up, I don't know why Monba supporters couldn't cross out his difficult FOY and be happy with his credentials. He's not for me, but he's certainly as appealing as several others being supported on flimsier evidence.

I see how what I said could be misread.

I meant what I said, his BIG races, or good races, were his maiden win and his Blue Grass, I wasn't impressed with his ALW win at Churchill.

Watch his maiden win vs his Churchill win, side by side or back to back and tell me which one looked looked better. Which one the horse looked more comfortable in his stride. This horse wants no part of the dirt. I will concede that the argument is weak given he has won over Churchill, and his lone dirt start this year he was squeezed pretty bad, but I just see a different horse on the poly, compared to his lone dirt win.

[sumitas]

i'll stick with the world record holder at 6F. he's liking the longer distance just fine, unlike others in this field. i like his style, sitting just behind the lead.

of course we'll have to wait until KD day to see how the track plays.

until derby week i'll chill.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's Monba's one dirt win - he had the kind of tactical position straight out of the perfect trip pic thread - and didn't exactly parlay the great stalking trip into a decisive win.

If you like sweet trip wins with ordinary figures this race might be for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkvb3iZZpR0


If anyone likes this horse at all they simply have to believe he's vastly improved.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by sumitas

i'll stick with the world record holder at 6F. he's liking the longer distance just fine, unlike others in this field. i like his style, sitting just behind the lead.

of course we'll have to wait until KD day to see how the track plays.

until derby week i'll chill.

I think Bob Black Jack is a far better horse than more than half of this field - I also think he's one of the better bets in the race to finish last because of the pace, distance, and equipment change.