Past Posting Proven once again.....perhaps 49 combinations of one race!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Nothing magic or ingenious about it. You know the first time I brought this up ( and so does everyone else here. just look it up ) I took a trip down memory lane to complain about why the race tracks didn't stick to it despite the complaints.
Once again. Look it up. I never said this was something I came up with on my own. I'm just a fan of common sense.
Instead of mischaracterizing what I'm saying, try tell us what's better for the short run.

Everytime the issue is brought up you jump in with the same old, just shut down a minute before posttime. And everytime I repeat that they tried it but due to tremendous negative response, they stopped. So what makes you think that the same tremedous negative response wouldnt happen again? That is not even taking into consideration that the tracks almost never lose sight of the short term bottom line and how it would be negatively effected.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everytime the issue is brought up you jump in with the same old, just shut down a minute before posttime. And everytime I repeat that they tried it but due to tremendous negative response, they stopped. So what makes you think that the same tremedous negative response wouldnt happen again? That is not even taking into consideration that the tracks almost never lose sight of the short term bottom line and how it would be negatively effected.

Not to mention the fact, how many times are the start of races delayed so that they can get to everyone in line. Like Chuck said, it was tried before and it SUCKED. And it will SUCK again if they decide to do this.

[TheSpyder]

I don't think you'll ever make everyone happy until Scavs develops his buzzer to close of betting. In the meantime just how big of a problem is it aside from banter on this forum. Closing off betting early will drive gamblers and handle away from your track and if you think everyone will agree to do it, think again. You can never do one thing and with your idea, you'll cause more negative than positive IMO

Spyder

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

You and your buddy still haven't come up with a better solution, for now, until we can make everyone happy.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I'll stick to my guns anyway. And I could be wrong in the very short term. OK.
Scavs' sensor could be the answer.
My questions to you would be:
How quickly will the last second bets be processed, and all the pools be calculated ?
If no faster than the best of our current systems, will we still be hearing cries of outrage about the odds changing from start to finish ?

It does seem to be the logical option.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Fair enough. The day we close off past posters for good, and still can't get a final odds calculation until the field hits the far turn will be OK with me too.

It's obvious you, and others here, think my solution is no good. That's OK.
None of you could show that allowing past-posting is better either. That's OK too.

You guys and s can assure you'll never hear from me again, on this subject, as long as I don't see anyone complain about how your horse, who was 5/1 at gate's open, only got you 7/2 at the window.Otherwise, I'll be all too pleased to remind everyone how you all got exactly what you wanted, instead of accepting the real world concept of lines.

I've seen it, but do we really think it's past posting? I've had it happen the other way as well when a horse I bet was 9/2 and ended up 5-1 after the race. Nobody complains aobut that.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I find it odd, we all accept horse racing was more popular in the past.
Yet we don't have to go much more than a decade back to see we weren't able to place bets at our tracks or OTBs less than one minute before the gates opened.
Try getting your pick-6 ticket in with less than TWO MINUTES to post of the first leg, fifteen years ago on the NYRA circuit.Am I supposed to believe our sport is hanging on a thread only because we are allowed to wager up until the gates open ?

I remember that. Never really affected me too much, but I've never been a big pick-6 player. I don't think our sport is hanging on a thread because of wagering up to the gates open, but believe me it is a big pain in the butt.
I'm not sure where your from, but if you've ever been to Saratoga, check out the lines with 1 mtp. There would be a riot if they shut the windows down.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Now you're talking about the incompetence and inability of any or all racetracks to provide a facility adequate to serve their customers in a timely fashion. They could double the betting machines and number of teller windows and people will still get shutout.
Whether it's Saratoga, Belmont, Aqueduct, Mars, or Jupiter I'm still gonna see people at a few windows when that bell sounds.

Not so fast. When I'm at Saratoga, many times I watch the horses walk past me by the clubhouse hedge. After they pass I make my final decision as to what I'm playing. Most of the time I use the SAM Machine in the Jim Dandy Bar, therefore I have time to make my wager and still have time to get to the rail. Many people wait longer. It's not the fault of the track. When you have 25,000 people at a track, a large % of those people are inexperienced, dumb, stupid, etc. when it comes to placing a bet. That slows lines down.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Is it really a big deal to close betting before the first horse gets in the gate? I know people complained before, but people will always complain about something. I'm sure people will learn to adjust their betting to make sure they do not get shut out.

To many people it is. I know you've been to the Spa. Hoss, can you imagine what would happen 100's of people got shut out? Maybe you weren't playing yet when they tried this before. It was crazy. Sure, people for the most part could adjust but I'd rather not.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was playing when they did this. It was a little bit more inconvenient than before, but really, for integrity's sake I was okay with it. Honestly, I always look at it like if I get shut out, it's MY fault. There is plenty of time to make a bet before a race. I mean if you are in an area of a racetrack, OTB, etc that is really busy, there is a chance you are going to get shut out no matter what if you aren't paying attention.

I feel the same way, but shutting down the windows early is going to increase my chances of getting shut out.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So bet earlier. At Saratoga like you say, you watch the horses come out of the paddock, like I do, and then you make your bet. You have a good 10 minutes from that point to bet. I can honestly say that in 14 years of going to Saratoga I have been shut out maybe a handful of times. All those times were because I was drunk and screwing around.

I'm glad I've never been that way at the Spa before.

[cmorioles]

Steve Crist wrote a great article, as usual, at DRF about this topic in DRF.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=93283

[bogeydaman]

Here we go again (though what the hell is the guy doing buying $1300 in "quick picks").

CHRB Probes Derby Quick Pick Superfecta
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Date Posted: May 17, 2008
Last Updated: May 17, 2008

An irregularity discovered in "quick pick" superfectas that were wagered on the May 3 Kentucky Derby (gr. I) in Northern California is being investigated by the California Horse Racing Board, the agency's executive director said May 17.

The investigation was launched after a bettor at Bay Meadows purchased 1,300 $1 quick picks for the Kentucky Derby superfecta, in which the first four finishers must be listed in exact order on the ticket. The bettor discovered that he did not have the number "20" once among the 5,200 possibilities. The race, of course, was won by Big Brown, who was the number 20.

The winning Derby superfecta combination of "20-5-16-2" paid $29,368.90 for a $1 investment.

Kirk Breed, the CHRB's executive director, said the quick pick wagering option was suspended May 4 after the discovery of the irregularity. He said agency investigators are trying to determine if Scientific Games, California's bet processing hub, "had any prior knowledge of the defect." He said the investigation is continuing.

A Scientific Games spokesman said that the malfunction has been "isolated to a software glitch in BetJet wagering terminals."

Tom Hodgkins, vice president of government and public relations for SG, added that "the last runner appears to have been excluded" from the quick pick mix.

He said he did not know how much had been wagered on quick picks through the terminals in question or whether the problem also affected other races. He said he doesn't know how many of the machines are being used in California.

"We were only informed of this yesterday afternoon," he said May 17. "We're really just at the front end of this investigation. It will be ongoing."

Breed said the quick pick option will remain inactive until Scientific Games can demonstrate that the malfunction is remedied. Hodgkins said the quick pick buttons on on BetJet teller and self-service machines are being physically removed from the wager boards.

"At this point we have nothing that says there was any impropriety," Breed said. "Our investigative unit is looking into it, as well as our auditors."

Asked if the matter was being investigated by the FBI, as initially rumored, Breed said, "Not to my knowledge."

"At some point," he added later, "we will be asking for outside assistance, yes."

Breed said that the Association of Racing Commissioners International's Integrity Services division has been notified of the issue.

"What happened is the bettor showed his trainer that the number 20 didn't show up on any of the 1,300 tickets," Breed said. "The trainer told the stewards at Bay Meadows that there is a malfunction and they informed us."

Ted Shaine, manager of the western quantum data center for Scientific Games in Sacramento, said, "I have no idea about any of that. I can't answer anything."

Centralizing bets taken from throughout the country, the facility opened in early 2007. It processed more than $19 million on Derby day last year.
Copyright © 2008 The Blood-Horse, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

You and your buddy still haven't come up with a better solution, for now, until we can make everyone happy.

Who's not happy? I'm happy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

So unless we have the perfect solution immediately, stand by and do nothing.
sounds like an idea to me.

No, do something that has already failed