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03-19-2008, 03:09 PM
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* Northern Apsen (Grade 1 winner in America, Gr 2 winner in Europe) * Elle Seule (Group 2 winner in France. Dam of 2 Gr 1 winners) * Mazzacano (Gr 3 winner, 2nd in Gr 1) * Colorado Dancer (Gr 2 winner, dam of the great Dubai Millennium) * Hamas (Gr 1 winner) * Fort Wood (Gr 1 winner. Sire of Horse Chestnut) * Timber Country (Won GR 1 BC Juvenile and Preakness) * Prince of Thieves (3rd in the Kentucky Derby) * Bianconi (Gr 2 winner) Quote:
I'm not sure if her Ballerina win was Travers day or not....could have been the day after the Travers maybe. 
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03-19-2008, 03:36 PM
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Bianconi, Cozzene, and the La. sire Easyfromthgitgo (Dehere) all hail from the 4m family with their nexus being the great War Admiral broodmare Portage.
Insofar as sons of Seeking The Gold which Mutakddim , Petionville, Cape Town are, NY has none. Seeking the Gold is critcized for producing fragile offspring but Mutakddim (17 starts) seems to produce durable types. Only 1 NY sire has Seeking The Gold as his broodmare sire, Nunzio (Holy Bull). Last edited by sumitas : 03-19-2008 at 04:00 PM.
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03-19-2008, 04:03 PM
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The Test is early in the meet - but that was the race she was coming out of routes into like you mentioned. Just checked her pp's.
http://www.drf.com/row/pps/ladytak.pdf It shows her selling for 75K - but that was at a 2yo in training sale after she worked fast. She was a 7.5K yearling originally.
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03-19-2008, 05:18 PM
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$7.5k yearling. Amazing.
Let me add a tidbit to some of the interesting points in this thread. The most expensive sires in NY are standardbred. http://www.harnessracing.com/sstatio...00&location=NY Sunriver is this year's most expensive NY thoroughbred sire at $15,000. The only one over $10,000. (I prefer the 4 fig sires). Last edited by sumitas : 03-19-2008 at 05:48 PM.
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03-19-2008, 11:35 PM
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Actually, I think a couple of high-quality, more expensive stallions in NY could in fact improve the program. If you had some higher quality stallions in NY, the "breed-back" rule would be more effective, in reality -- more attractive.
A new stallion in NY who I think could be interesting is Patriot Act. He's a son of A.P. Indy and I think he comes from old Fred Hooper family/breeding. He's got strong pedigree and has some incredible support behind him. Will Farish and Lane's End are supporting the horse and syndicated him with some very strong breeders, real breeders. He could be an excellent outcross stallion (I think he is a half to the dam Student Council (who is by Kingmambo). The dam's side is pretty strong -- I think a sister to Patriot Act, a graded stakes winner is the dam of graded stakes winner Gradepoint (also by A.P. Indy, I think), and is also the dam of Student Council (Kingmambo). I think that's how the pedigree plays out. Another offspring I think is the dam of Stephen Got Even, and maybe Don't Get Mad. Anyway, I think this horse could get some good mares, and might be attractive to people looking to breed in NY, who might not have before. Eric
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03-20-2008, 08:59 AM
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I see that Patriot Act is listed at a $6k fee. I recall hm as a long time G1 placed maiden after he was 2nd or 3rd to a fast Lukas 2yo in a KY G1. If Farish and some of his partners support him with well bred mares, he could be an interesting stallion. His female family appears to be a bit of an outcross for alot of the Farish and partners mares, though being my Indy, he still carries alot of that "Lane's End" blood.
What are the breeders' thoughts about Utopia. I find it intersting that his Northern Dancer is through Northern Taste, a stallion who's blood is unknown in the US. Forty Niner didn't become the sire of sires that alot of people expected but he has a few useful horses. The other new stallion of interest to me is Defer. At $6500, I think he brings alot of pedigree to the table. Though he never really live up to expectations he was hardly a disaster. He was a pretty good 2yo but was still running well later in his career. Danzig means grass but it also means "mud" which of course we get in abundance in NY racing.
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03-20-2008, 11:44 AM
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The problem with stallion prospects like Defer and Patriot Act is that they were both very slow plodding horses...I wouldn't expect a whole lot from either one.
City Zip was the perfect stallion you'd look for in a region like New York. * He was a brilliantly fast early developing horse * He was very sound and accomplished (made 23 starts in 2 years of racing, won 6 Graded Stakes, fired on short rest) * Figued to be the kind of sire who would be above average with turf runners. City Zip stood in NY and started covering mares in 2002 (before his half brother Ghostzapper ever debuted) The combonation of him doing a solid job while standing for $7,500 in NY and with Ghostzapper developing into a Horse of the Year and hot stallion prospect - is what got him out of NY and into Ky I would think.
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03-20-2008, 12:17 PM
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Defer was a pretty good 2yo and Danzig is a speedy sireline. I tend to think that if he'd been with a trainer other than Shug (who I like, don't get me wrong) whose horses rarely have that sharp early speed, he might have had a different trajectory. If he'd been with Assmussen or Pletcher or Jerkens etc. He might have been "sharper" at 2. (I like Shug, but in the quest for a classic 3yo, the Phipps' don't seem to ask for any speed in their 2yos.)
Agreed about PA in terms of plodding sireline but the Copelans have speed.
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