Big Truck - NY bred

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You need to get a second date before you understand

I am literally speechless right now, all my comebacks that I have typed don't do your response its worthyness....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

I am literally speechless right now, all my comebacks that I have typed don't do your response its worthyness....

This is enough...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is enough...

it doesn't happen very often so enjoy it

[PSH]

It also seems that whenever a NY Bred sire gets good that they are subject to be moved to Kentucky (or elsewhere) and then have their stud fee raised. City Zip is a prime example of this in the past couple of years.

Also, am i correct that the majority of those who breed to a stallion in NY generally do not pay full stated stud fees but work out a deal????

PSH

[ELA]

Of course, there have of course been a few cases where, when a stallion does well, they are relocated out of NY. Catienus attracted a lot of attention when he stood in NY, and had a couple of runners out there in his first crop (with a maiden running 3rd in the Bemont Stakes). There was a lot of back and forth as to whether or not he would stay in NY for the next season, and I would some people here know what went on with that decision and what was behind it.

City Zip was another, and while he became an attractive commodity, what was also going on was that the farm where he stood was being sold, so I am not sure which came first -- the chicken or the egg, so to speak.

NY stallions can be like any others, except the top tier, high demand stallions. There can be deals, foal shares, discounted breedings, etc. However, I don't think this is a function of it being NY, but more it being a function of the industry in general. Of course you are not going to see any deals floating around on AP Indy, LOL.

The "breed-back" rules are intended to allow the system to have integrity, and to add value. The same could be said for the step level of NY award money.

Eric

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by PSH

Also, am i correct that the majority of those who breed to a stallion in NY generally do not pay full stated stud fees but work out a deal????

PSH

That can be true of stallions anywhere. It depends on a number of things including breeding multiple mares, return customers, demand for the stallion etc.

[Linny]

Deal making occurs at all levels.
Remember that the $20k stallion is royalty in NY. In KY he's a "moderate" price point. I'm sure that there are a few breeders in NY who would support a higher end stallion but "a few" isn't really enough to make it worth it. With the volume of mares available in KY and only a handful of NY breeders vowing to commit to a stallion who is not especially expensive in KY, it's not a great deal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

Deal making occurs at all levels.
Remember that the $20k stallion is royalty in NY. In KY he's a "moderate" price point. I'm sure that there are a few breeders in NY who would support a higher end stallion but "a few" isn't really enough to make it worth it. With the volume of mares available in KY and only a handful of NY breeders vowing to commit to a stallion who is not especially expensive in KY, it's not a great deal.

the $20k stallion in NY doesnt currently exist. But the points that were made above are true and the fact is that non 1st year stallion at that level is usually a pretty negotiable price