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03-18-2008, 10:44 AM
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A grade 1 out in California really isn't equal to Grade 1's other places, all the good horses are in the east and midwest when it comes to dirt/synethic.
I know the point that Jim is trying to make, but it just won't get made. People like cmoriles and other people that have been doing this for a long time are stuck in their ways and change bothers them, it would bother me to. But all synethic track change are two things 1) pace and 2) the same notion that has been around since the creation of horse racing, some horses like it, some hate it, just like when horses switch from Hawthorne to Arlington, Churchilll to Turfway, Belmont to Saratoga. 
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03-18-2008, 10:50 AM
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You do realize that Arl Jim said Big Booster "appears to be a better horse on dirt" ? He was a very moderate claimer on dirt!
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03-18-2008, 10:56 AM
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2.5 months Doug, and there has been how many Grade 1 routes this year so far, ONE! And that race while stamped a GRADE 1, didn't have grade 1 talent.
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03-18-2008, 11:04 AM
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And Scavs, the horses in the East aren't that good either. Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track.... Maybe I'm wrong to say he's "trolling" - but you really have to wonder how it can be said that "Big Booster appears to favor the dirt." That is just not a logical statement.
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03-18-2008, 11:10 AM
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I don't disagree, but East coast horses would trounce the west. STUDENT COUNCIL?? AWESOME GEM?? ZAPPA?? come on now. Zappa couldn't win a Grade 3 in NY or anywhere else. So would Awesome Gem for that matter. Me personally, I can care less about a surface, they could run on cotton and it wouldn't matter to me You check up on people on the internet?
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03-18-2008, 11:11 AM
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03-18-2008, 11:39 AM
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wow, Peter Walder had Big Booster for a single race in about a fifty race career.
my only agenda is that I wager on horse racing every day of the week so i try to study all aspects to stay sharp. I'm not trying to stick up for a particular surface. I only look for facts. I live near arlington but don't play it much and I'm not defending my home surface. its easy to find examples of horses that have moved to synthetics and improved. Big Booster is one of them although I don't believe his improvement is that great. however I didn't ask for examples of horses who moved from dirt to synthetic and improved. I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.
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03-18-2008, 11:16 AM
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The East is nothing to get too excited about either. The Skip Away, a G3, was just demolished by Gotcha Gold with a most likely inflated Beyer of 100. Mr. Umphrey was second. Yes, Mr. Umphrey. Frost Giant, a horse I looked at and dismissed in about 2 seconds when handicapping, went off at 6 to 5. Think about that one...
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03-18-2008, 06:36 PM
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03-18-2008, 11:36 AM
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03-18-2008, 12:06 PM
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03-18-2008, 10:57 AM
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Posting career records means little. I'm talking about my personal figures and the level of accomplishment. The fact is, you don't see horses successful on synthetic moving over to dirt and registering similar performances very often. About the only thing similar between dirt and synthetic, apparently, is the mortality rate.
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03-18-2008, 11:06 AM
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We need her to come tell CJ his figures are flawed.
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