Top 25 3yo's 1987-2007

miraja2 · #1 02-26-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If nothing else, anyone that includes Lost in the Fog and NOT Housebuster, needs, at the very least, a course in recent racing history. Housebuster ran numberous races, as a 3YO, that dwarfed anything Lost in the Fog ever did.

I was a little shocked to see that I was the only one to include Housebuster in the top 25.

blackthroatedwind · #2 02-26-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I was a little shocked to see that I was the only one to include Housebuster in the top 25.

I would say many of these people know nothing about him. I just looked a couple of his races up.....he got a 113 Beyer fig when he won the King's Bishop ( Lost in the Fog.....105 ) and lost a photo to Criminal Type in the Met Mile, beating Easy Goer, and got a 117 Beyer.

Danzig · #3 02-26-2008, 01:21 PM

housebuster was amazing.....

isn't it funny tho how some horses are remembered for things they didn't do (such as anyone listing awesome again for his 3 yo career) and then others who accomplished some tremendous things get no press at all?

Indian Charlie · #4 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

housebuster was amazing.....

isn't it funny tho how some horses are remembered for things they didn't do (such as anyone listing awesome again for his 3 yo career) and then others who accomplished some tremendous things get no press at all?

i find it amazing that some people can only judge ability by looking at a resume only.

anyone with half an eye could see awesome again was a top colt.

Danzig · #5 02-26-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

i find it amazing that some people can only judge ability by looking at a resume only.

anyone with half an eye could see awesome again was a top colt.

but i thought the question was top 25 three year olds?

slotdirt · #6 02-26-2008, 07:32 PM

Did I just see a somerfrost appearance? Perhaps a Derby angles list is forthcoming soon?

somerfrost · #7 02-26-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Did I just see a somerfrost appearance? Perhaps a Derby angles list is forthcoming soon?

Perhaps...

Cajungator26 · #8 02-26-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

but i thought the question was top 25 three year olds?

It was... which is why I didn't include him.

Danzig · #9 02-26-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It was... which is why I didn't include him.

i don't think anyone would argue that AA wasn't one hell of a horse (and he's one hell of a sire) but he doesn't fit this particular category.

The Bid · #10 02-26-2008, 01:28 PM

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #11 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

Wow, someone actually agrees with me on something! It's a miracle!

#12 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

It's unfortunate he won the majority of his races on the NoCal circuit. He'll always be knocked for that.

King Glorious · #13 02-26-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's unfortunate he won the majority of his races on the NoCal circuit. He'll always be knocked for that.

This is simply not true at all. Fog won 11 career races:

Northern CA-3
Arizona-1
South FL-3
Kentucky-1
NY-3

King Glorious · #14 02-26-2008, 01:44 PM

Want to think of an underrated sprinter, think of Reraise.

#15 02-26-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is simply not true at all. Fog won 11 career races:

Northern CA-3
Arizona-1
South FL-3
Kentucky-1
NY-3

I should've looked up his wins. I just remember him winning in NoCal and that stands out more to me than the others. But really Arizona should stick out like a sore thumb. I imagine if he was still running today he would've had wins in Washington and New Mexico.

miraja2 · #16 02-26-2008, 01:50 PM

Did LITF ever defeat another G1 winner?

King Glorious · #17 02-26-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I should've looked up his wins. I just remember him winning in NoCal and that stands out more to me than the others. But really Arizona should stick out like a sore thumb. I imagine if he was still running today he would've had wins in Washington and New Mexico.

It's a stigma that's hard to overcome. I consider El Gato Malo a Northern Cali horse even though two of his three races have been in Southern Cali. It's just interesting that a horse that won more races at Gulfstream, Churchill, Belmont, and Saratoga than in Northern Cali is still disparaged as only a Northern Cali horse.

King Glorious · #18 02-26-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would say many of these people know nothing about him. I just looked a couple of his races up.....he got a 113 Beyer fig when he won the King's Bishop ( Lost in the Fog.....105 ) and lost a photo to Criminal Type in the Met Mile, beating Easy Goer, and got a 117 Beyer.

Those were two very good races. I don't think it's fair to say that Housebuster ran several races as a 3yo that DWARFED anything Fog ever did. You point out the 113 and 117 figures. Fog did earn a 116 and a 114. That's right there with Housebuster. I also give Fog extra credit for the ambitious traveling schedule he was on. I've heard you talk about the effects of constantly shipping and Fog criss-crossed the country 13 times that year and still nearly held up to the end. I'd also like to see what kind of weight assignments Housebuster had in those races and how much he was giving to his competition.