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Old 02-19-2008, 07:31 AM
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Considering that most seemed to like the quality of the field coming in, how does this get brought up after the fact? What does West Coast lower tier mean and what's the difference anyway? He was within a length or so of Colonel John in the Cash Call and beaten 3L for everything there... He couldn't keep up in the San Rafael, but stayed on nicely yesterday getting back on dirt for the first time since September as a 2yo. With moves to and from the synthetic surfaces, it's hard to know what any of the California based horses actually are.

I recall that when Denis beat Unbridled Vicar in the FG ALW we heard the same song. Unbridled Vicar came back and ran very nicely though in the Risen Star, no?

I'd say it's much more significant that Denis of Cork continues to do anything required of him to win despite spotting experience each time he's run.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:49 AM
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Considering that most seemed to like the quality of the field coming in, how does this get brought up after the fact? What does West Coast lower tier mean and what's the difference anyway? He was within a length or so of Colonel John in the Cash Call and beaten 3L for everything there... He couldn't keep up in the San Rafael, but stayed on nicely yesterday getting back on dirt for the first time since September as a 2yo. With moves to and from the synthetic surfaces, it's hard to know what any of the California based horses actually are.

I recall that when Denis beat Unbridled Vicar in the FG ALW we heard the same song. Unbridled Vicar came back and ran very nicely though in the Risen Star, no?

I'd say it's much more significant that Denis of Cork continues to do anything required of him to win despite spotting experience each time he's run.
I never said I liked the field. I have always thought Turf War was a phony. And I can't believe that Lukas horse wasn't 15-1. I bet Sacred Journey because he was 14-1 at the time, and then he went off at 9-1. Dagger!

I guess by "West Coast lower tier", I mean I can probably name 15 Derby hopefuls in California who are better than Sierra Sunset. And Massive Drama isn't even one of them becasue he isn't in CA anymore.

Don't get me wrong. Sierra Sunset looked great against three foes at Bay Meadows in that September race you mentioned. But I think the jury is still out on Denis of Cork. All things being equal, I doubt he would be among the top four betting interests in the Fountain of Youth on Saturday, and I doubt he would hit the board.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:50 AM
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....also, weren't there like 18 horses within 3 lengths of the Cash Call winner?
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:02 AM
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You're right about the first part, but I'm not so sure about the second. Who are the killers in there? Court Vision? Monba? You can have them both. Adriano's a turf horse. I'm really high on Elysium Fields, but he's just a maiden winner. And then you have Zito's pair.
Make the Point.. from KMc there too.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:19 AM
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Thanks...forgot about him. I wonder if he'll get the 9 furlongs.
I don't wonder.....I find it highly unlikely.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:29 AM
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Considering that most seemed to like the quality of the field coming in, how does this get brought up after the fact?

" Most " were wrong going into the race if they considered this a quality field. What it was, however, was a good mix and match of horses coming from different races, distances, and jurisdictions. However, there were no horses that screamed " quality " going into the race.

There might, however, be one coming out. But, like others, considering the decent performance chasing by the second finisher, and his resume coming in, I will withhold judgement on Dennis of Cork. He did run well though and in a year that is light on good 3YO performances he certainly looks promising.
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:55 PM
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" Most " were wrong going into the race if they considered this a quality field. What it was, however, was a good mix and match of horses coming from different races, distances, and jurisdictions. However, there were no horses that screamed " quality " going into the race.

There might, however, be one coming out. But, like others, considering the decent performance chasing by the second finisher, and his resume coming in, I will withhold judgement on Dennis of Cork. He did run well though and in a year that is light on good 3YO performances he certainly looks promising.
what would giant moon do to dennis of cork?
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:57 PM
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what would giant moon do to dennis of cork?

Lose to him.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:01 PM
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Wasn't Corks last race a Clue? Went four wide the whole trip, flattened a bit, but lasted. Seems many had the right choice.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:11 PM
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Wasn't Corks last race a Clue? Went four wide the whole trip, flattened a bit, but lasted. Seems many had the right choice.
He was wide but I was more impressed that he was able to close off of brutally slow fractions. You don't get that done if you are just a plodder. You have to be a legit closer to close on fresh horses in front of you.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:20 PM
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Lose to him.
will see after the gotham
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:24 PM
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will see after the gotham
I don't see how Eaton's Gift winning the Gotham is going to settle anything.
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what would giant moon do to dennis of cork?

Giant Moon = Lawrence the Roman...without the inflated figs.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:32 PM
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Giant Moon had sweet trips and was able to handle Spanky Fishbien in photos. Icabad Crane is a better horse.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:46 PM
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I think you are discounting Spanky Fishbein too easily. You must not realize that he was trying to cut into a final quarter that was just under 27 seconds.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:47 PM
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I think you are discounting Spanky Fishbein too easily. You must not realize that he was trying to cut into a final quarter that was just under 27 seconds.
I think Spanky Fishbein could win an Eclipse and it would still sound insulting to handle him in a photo.
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