Jamie Sanders

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

It's a hard business and she's had little success so far but I admire her effort. She's been schooled by two of the best and I suspect she knows a little about training. Teuflesberg won the Southwest Stakes, a 250k race and has hit the board in several graded stake races, saying he had zero graded earnings is incorrect, he had over $100,000 or he wouldn't have made the Derby. He lost the Bluegrass by a neck...I don't see why he didn't belong in the Derby field based on his past performances. It's funny...folks always complain about how infrequently horses run then when someone actually runs their horse, they complain about that. If the horse is sound, why not go to a track that historically with tight turns and a shorter distance favors horses with speed? It will be the horse's 6th start of the season...I don't see a problem!

This horse has been campaigning non-stop since October racing 10 times in seven months on six tracks. He is running against the top of the heap for the most part and against horses that have had breaks. While she has every right to run him where she wants, it doesn't appear that she has any real plan other than finding the next race on the schedule that is about 3-4 weeks out.

The horse has been game in many of these races, but it does seem to me that the well has run dry and he needs a break and or some class relief. There is nothing about his derby performance that would indicate that he will bounce back in two weeks against similar competition.

And using the BlueGrass as evidence that this horse belongs at this level is crazy. You have to know what a pace aberration that race was. All of his other Graded stakes attempts were marginal at best, and often horrible.

[tiznowthegreat]

It's not just Teuflesberg. Look at her entries this entire past week at Churchill. She had a horse in most every stakes, they were always the longest price on the board, and I don't think that one even hit the board. She had 3 alone in the 2 year old stakes on Thursday.

[MISTERGEE]

might be the naseem rauf of stakes racing

[brianwspencer]

Nobody is knocking the horse -- he's done a hell of a job for the price that they paid for him and he's brought home some nice checks.

Imagine what he could be doing if he was put in proper spots? Being life and death in every race to suck in enough air to last for a check is certainly a noble accomplishment, but not a good barometer of what this horse can do. Sanders doesn't get her abysmal percentages in a void -- Teuflesburg is just her highest profile example of a horse getting thrown to the wolves at every turn in hopes of sucking up some purse money. Everyone here has been saying for some time now that this horse would be a formidable match in races in the 6-8 furlong range, but for the time being it doesn't look like he'll get the shot. He's been entered in these spots dating all the way back to the very beginning of his career, and I second the poster who said that at some point Sanders is going to regret her endless campaign because the well is going to dry up one of these days.

Sure, she'll have made a pretty penny on it with his earnings, but she'll have hurt the horse's chances to develop into the type of horse who can possibly legitimately contend in big races at less than a mile.

If it's not out of stupidity or pure brazenness, what is it? It's clear that she's not using the money for anything constructive -- like a dye job better than a $9 pharmacy box or a Wal-Mart pantsuit for Derby Day.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

might be the naseem rauf of stakes racing

Murray Garren where have you gone!

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

It's not just Teuflesberg. Look at her entries this entire past week at Churchill. She had a horse in most every stakes, they were always the longest price on the board, and I don't think that one even hit the board. She had 3 alone in the 2 year old stakes on Thursday.

That's what I'm saying.She did the exact same thing with Teuflesberg,same races I think.She has no idea what she is doing,and her .02 win percentage shows it.She is ruining these fine animals.

[JJP]

This woman is completely clueless. She has no idea how to place her horses. If she "learned" that from Zito, he isn't much of a teacher. I feel sorry for the horse.

[VOL JACK]

Someone needs to let her know there are some big races for 3yo spinters where she could actually cash a check. Since she is paid on what the horse earns.

[King Glorious]

I can't recall seeing this much agreement over a subject on this forum. Add me to the list too. I started a thread on another forum before the Derby asking the question "Where Did She Get Her License?" This is beyond ridiculous. If she's so intent on running the horse every 3-4 weeks, that's one thing. But have a plan and put him in spots where he has a chance to be competitive. And to use the Blue Grass result as justification that he had a shot in the Derby is completely wrong. We may not be the greatest of handicappers on here but when nine of 10 of us can obviously see something, perhaps we are right. He set extremely slow fractions and STILL couldn't hold on. There was nothing to even remotely indicate that he would do better with a faster pace and another furlong. Elliott says "I thought I had more horse than I had. But that was it." If she won't listen to us, if she won't listen to reason, listen to the man that was on his back. She says the horse talks to her. LISTEN TO THE DAMN HORSE!!!

Another thing that needs to put to rest is this silly stuff about the tighter turns and shorter distance of the Preakness. For one, the layout is not much different than Churchill. I remember a few years ago, the network that was doing the Preakness super-imposed a picture of the Pimlico layout over the Churchill one and it was surprisingly similar. Also, it's only 110 yards shorter. Technically, it's a shorter race. But if u have a horse that can't get the Derby distance, he's 95% unlikely to get the Preakness distance.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Someone needs to let her know there are some big races for 3yo spinters where she could actually cash a check. Since she is paid on what the horse earns.

Actually, she is part owner of the horse so she isn't exactly "paid".

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Actually, she is part owner of the horse so she isn't exactly "paid".

If U are the owner of a horse and he wins $$$$$$$ U get PAID!!! When someone gives u a Check that is called getting paid.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Say it however you want, the more money the horse makes, the more she makes.

That's true...wow, we agree finally!