Was that Liquidity that opened up the rail?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Looked like a green # that was on the rail & moved outward just as Borel was coming toward the top of the stretch...Borel blasted right by him on the inside...he should buy whoever that jock was a cold one...

Umm no, the 15 replays I have watched have shown a wide open rail all the way around the track behind Sedgefield...

It's the same thing in every Derby, most of the Jocks try get in the clear too soon, sacrificing way too much ground only to have their mount completely fall apart in the lane. I cannot blame the Jocks too much though... The racing style it takes to win maiden races, allowance, and stakes prep races is almost all run and gun from the word go. The horses have been taught to run as fast as they can early, the jocks have learned that going as fast as they can early is the only way you can survive.

There were 2 patient rides today out of 20, Borel and Albarado...

[Withers]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Umm no, the 15 replays I have watched have shown a wide open rail all the way around the track behind Sedgefield...

It's the same thing in every Derby, most of the Jocks try get in the clear too soon, sacrificing way too much ground only to have their mount completely fall apart in the lane. I cannot blame the Jocks too much though... The racing style it takes to win maiden races, allowance, and stakes prep races is almost all run and gun from the word go. The horses have been taught to run as fast as they can early, the jocks have learned that going as fast as they can early is the only way you can survive.

There were 2 patient rides today out of 20, Borel and Albarado...

Yeah, but as I've mentioned in another post, from what I saw, Albarado wasn't patient in the stretch all the sudden -- pulling him inside, then outside, then inside, then outside...when he finally found a spot, Curlin jumped, but I have to repeat that I think Curlin is really the overlooked one here: Hard Spun did amazingly well on the lead, setting the pace, and being game to hold out; SS got a fantastic trip, and Curlin? only one who had a rotten trip and practically had to halt in the stretch before making his final run...yet he came in. One way or another, as others have said, I think the top 3 horses got 1-3 yesterday.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Withers

Yeah, but as I've mentioned in another post, from what I saw, Albarado wasn't patient in the stretch all the sudden -- pulling him inside, then outside, then inside, then outside...when he finally found a spot, Curlin jumped, but I have to repeat that I think Curlin is really the overlooked one here: Hard Spun did amazingly well on the lead, setting the pace, and being game to hold out; SS got a fantastic trip, and Curlin? only one who had a rotten trip and practically had to halt in the stretch before making his final run...yet he came in. One way or another, as others have said, I think the top 3 horses got 1-3 yesterday.

I thought his ride for the most part, until the stretch, was patient. At the top of the stretch, your patience is about done since the winner is usually long gone at that point. He had the poorest trip from what I can see, and I think he will surely be a force in the Preakness.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Umm no, the 15 replays I have watched have shown a wide open rail all the way around the track behind Sedgefield...

It's the same thing in every Derby, most of the Jocks try get in the clear too soon, sacrificing way too much ground only to have their mount completely fall apart in the lane. I cannot blame the Jocks too much though... The racing style it takes to win maiden races, allowance, and stakes prep races is almost all run and gun from the word go. The horses have been taught to run as fast as they can early, the jocks have learned that going as fast as they can early is the only way you can survive.

There were 2 patient rides today out of 20, Borel and Albarado...

Umm, yes...watch the overhead view & check out this quote...

As the field neared the top of the stretch, the only horse who had a chance of catching Hard Spun was Street Sense. Borel found a seam between Sedgefield and a tiring Liquidity, and Street Sense burst through the opening and set after Hard Spun. Street Sense reached the front passing the eighth pole and drew away.
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[pba1817]

What does that quote have to do with anything? I watched the race with my own eyes, the rail was 2 paths open behind Sedgefield, once Street Sense angled around Sedgefield he was home free.

Since you are into quotes, here is the quote directly from the chart "Liquidity, in contention five or six wide, bumped for a stride with Great Hunter early on the far turn and flattened out in the drive."

How do you get to the rail if you are 5 or 6 wide?

Maybe you saw the green colored saddle cloth of Any Given Saturday who got to the inside towards the far turn, but he was toast and getting out 1/2 around the far turn. Gomez says he was bumped by Street Sense as he went flying by...

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by pba1817

What does that quote have to do with anything? I watched the race with my own eyes, the rail was 2 paths open behind Sedgefield, once Street Sense angled around Sedgefield he was home free.

Since you are into quotes, here is the quote directly from the chart "Liquidity, in contention five or six wide, bumped for a stride with Great Hunter early on the far turn and flattened out in the drive."

How do you get to the rail if you are 5 or 6 wide?

You need to re-read post 4 in this thread where I said that I checked the chart & it didn't match up with what I saw on the overhead view. Seriously, watch the overhead view on nbc's website. You'll see Liquidity right on the rail & he moves outward (tiring) just as SS comes up behind him & goes right between him & Sedgefield. I'll be here waiting if you want to admit that you were wrong, but I won't hold my breath.

[pba1817]

I edited my post, I guess the chart can be wrong... I have seen the overhead as well, and I agree that the colors seem to be Reddam's, the saddle cloth of AGS is also a teal green/blue also, either way, the rail was open for the most part from mid turn home.

[pba1817]

You know what, you are 100% right.. the chart is dead wrong!!! Meaning I am wrong, sorry about that. I watched the replay, and the side view just as they enter the turn you can clearly see Reddam's colors and 9 on Liquidity on the rail.

I still stand on my view that the rail was open from mid turn home though!!

[ninetoone]

No hard feelings here...thanks for watching it again. I watched & watched & couldn't believe the chart was wrong.

[PPerfectfan]

I'll be here waiting if you want to admit that you were wrong, but I won't hold my breath

Yeah, I see your turning blue over there. I wouldnt wait either. I saw the same thing, but what do we know, how can u belive your own eyes?